On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me Crazy

 

It’s hard to have a conversation with others about mental health issues because some people might misconstrue it as crazy. The mental health issue is not craziness, so Don’t Call Me Crazy! In this episode, Kelly Jensen, an Editor at Book Riot, unravels the pages of Don’t Call Me Crazy: 33 Voices Start the Conversation About Mental Health. The book delves into the world of mental health through 33 different voices, contributing personal stories about the challenges they go through with mental health issues. Let’s join Kelly in this conversation and understand the importance of normalizing discussions about mental health. Tune in to this episode today!

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Kelly Jensen – Editor Of Don’t Call Me Crazy: 33 Voices Start The Conversation About Mental Health

Kelly Jensen is an editor at Book Riot. That’s BookRiot.com. It is where she covers all things young adult literature and has written about censorship for nearly ten years. She’s the author of three critically acclaimed and award-winning anthologies for young adults on the topics of feminism, mental health, and the body. She lives in the Chicago area with her husband, daughter, and a menagerie of pets.

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Kelly, welcome. Thanks for joining us here.

Thank you for having me.

I’m excited to be able to talk about your book. Can you tell us a little bit about what got you started on a path like that?

Mental Health

Sure. Growing up, I struggled with my own mental health. When I was younger, we didn’t have a lot of open conversations about mental health either in my family or in general. It wasn’t a thing that got talked about very much at all, so I never did anything about it. I assumed that sometimes, you struggle, and sometimes, you don’t, and that this was a normal part of being a human in the world.

As I got a little bit older and got into adulthood, I started to recognize that my periods of not being okay were not normal. I needed to get some help, to talk things through, and to figure out what would be the best approach to managing my mental health. I struggled particularly with anxiety but with depression as well. Learning that and learning about these two mental health challenges was really enlightening for me. I took these personal experiences and thought a lot about what I could do to connect with young people in particular who may be struggling with something similar and give them the opportunity to figure out how to even start to talk about mental health.

I had edited an anthology for young adults about feminism. One of the essays in that collection was about how mental health is a feminist issue. I read that and edited that with the writer at the same time that I was getting help with my own mental health. That moment, it clicked, “I should put together an anthology about mental health for young readers.” I knew I wanted to do that and put together a proposal.

That really got me on the journey to talking about mental health with young people and creating this collection of 33 essays, artworks, and comics that explore mental health in a lot of very different ways and across different mental health topics. Certainly, there’s a lot about mental illness in there, but there’s also a lot in the collection that’s about having a brain in the world and what happens in our brains as we go about our days.

You mentioned writing it for young adults. I didn’t even get that. This is for anybody. For me as a clinician, this is a wonderful resource to have. One of the things that you published was a piece in this book about ten different books where they write about mental health and mental health issues. In reading through the little synopsis of each one of those, eight of those are not going to be on my reading list, and I’m not a very young adult.

I’ve heard this comment many times since publishing the book, and that is such a wonderful comment to get. It’s one of my favorite compliments to get, particularly because I didn’t care about adults when I put this together. I was thinking about twelve-year-olds. When I think about writing for young people, I think about the twelve-year-olds. You have 12-year-olds who are ready to move out of the house, be independent, and be as grown up as they can be, but then you have 12-year-olds on the other side of the spectrum who very much are not ready to be teenagers. They want to still be kids. They’re nervous. They’re anxious.

I think about that 12-year-old and what a book for a 12-year-old looks like. It’s going to have mature conversations, but it’s also going to have conversations that are very much like, “You’re still a kid. You still have a lot of growing to do. Even when you are no longer a teenager, your brain is still developing.” I like to think that a 12-year-old reads this and gets one experience and a 16-year-old reads this and gets a different experience. Even the same person who reads it at 12 and reads it at 16, because they’re growing up and learning and developing, have a different experience.

They’re not the same person the second time they read it, right?

Exactly. There are pieces in there that a twelve-year-old might read and be like, “I don’t get it,” or, “I’m not ready to read this,” and that’s fine. The beauty of an anthology is they can skip it. Maybe at sixteen, they come back, and suddenly, it means something completely different to them, or they’ve had an experience where they’re like, “I get it now.”

It’s fascinating to hear so many adults who have connected with it because that wasn’t my audience. I think about my personal experiences with my mental health. How many people are in my age group who grew up in a similar circumstance where we weren’t having these conversations? We’re having them a bit more. There are tools like this out there for adults to be like, “I can talk about this,” or, “I relate to this,” or, “Somebody in my family, a friend, or a coworker talked about this before. Now, I have another perspective on it.”

The 33 Essays

It comes to me to ask this. Was there 1 or more of these 33 essays or pieces that you’ve included that resonated more deeply with your personal experience?

I love this question too because the question I tend to get is, “What is your favorite piece in the book?” That’s a little bit of a different question than what resonated. For me personally, a lot of these pieces resonated in different ways. I also struggle to talk about which ones in particular resonated because as an editor, I look at pieces differently than I do as a reader.

On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me Crazy

(Don’t) Call Me Crazy: 33 Voices Start the Conversation About Mental Health

Some of my experiences with these pieces are tied up with what the editing experience was like. Pieces that required a lot of work or were difficult for the contributor to put together have a different feeling for me than some of the ones that seemed like they came together pretty easily for a writer. That’s one piece of having this conversation.

On a personal level, from gut instinct, two pieces stood out to me both in that they resonated and that I loved what they did. The first one is a piece by Emery Lord, which talks about migraine headaches, depression, and going to a Van Gogh exhibit. She talks about being in this art museum at a Van Gogh exhibit and people talking about how crazy Van Gogh was.

She, somebody who struggles with depression, is listening to all these conversations in this way that it’s like people talking about you when you’re having a hard time with your mental health. It was about how we talk about people’s struggles when we do not recognize that our neighbor might be having that struggle or the person sitting next to us might be having that struggle.

The person you’re talking to might have that struggle.

Exactly. It’s not that you’re trying to be mean to them or make fun of them, but it is so easy to look at somebody like Van Gogh, this person who we all know is a cultural phenomenon, and be like, “They were crazy,” when really, he struggled with his mental health the same way you or I might struggle with our mental health. That’s the narrative that follows him. That’s scary to think about if it’s going to be your legacy when you pass as well. Are people going to remember you as the crazy one in the family or somebody who tried so hard to be the best they could despite struggling with heavy mental health challenges? That’s one piece.

On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me Crazy

Don’t Call Me Crazy: Would people remember you as the crazy one in the family or somebody who tried so hard to be the best they could despite struggling with heavy mental health challenges? It’s scary to think about if it will be your legacy when you pass.

 

The second piece that I love, and maybe it doesn’t necessarily resonate with me with my personal experiences, but as a reader, an editor, and somebody who cares about mental health, the piece by Libba Bray is this play. It’s written as a conversation between her anxiety and her OCD as she gets on an airplane. It’s very funny. The voice in this is phenomenal and hilarious. Yet, with the turns of phrases in there, you’re like, “That is what anxiety feels like,” or, “I don’t have OCD and I have never had an experience with it, but I know people who have.” They’ve shared these experiences. Reading it in that voice, you’re like, “I get what they’re saying now,” or, “I get what experiences they’ve shared that I may not personally understand. Now, I see it from a different perspective and understand it a little bit more.”

That’s one of the delightful things about this. Many different people are talking about these different challenges that we might have mentally or emotionally from their own individual perspectives. You get a chance to shine a light on it from a slightly different angle and see it differently.

That was what I had hoped to convey in my own piece that I wrote in there in not understanding what depression might look like if it’s not the kind of depression that is so popularly depicted in movies or TV where you see these grandiose stories of what depression looks like. For me, it was never like that. For me, it was much more in response to the anxiety I was experiencing. My anxiety had me in that fight-flight mode over and over again, and then when I couldn’t take it anymore, the depression kicked in and was like, “You can’t get out of bed.”

It’s like a lack of energy as much as it is depression.

It’s hard to not just explain it to others, but to understand it yourself and see how it works when it’s not something that you typically see. You would not watch a movie if the character who’s depressed is not getting out of bed. There’s not a storyline there. We don’t see the broad range of ways these mental health challenges manifest in each individual. I’d like to think that this collection does a good job of showcasing that it’s different for everybody. There are hallmarks for each of these things, but each person, because they’re so unique, experiences it in a different way.

Exactly. Did you have active work with each of these authors about their pieces or did you find their pieces and then include them?

Most of them were ones that we created together. By we created it together, they pitched an idea to me for something they wanted to write thematically and topically, and then I would say, “Yes.” I said yes to almost every single one of them when they had a pitch. The only time I didn’t is if there were a number of pieces on that topic already. From there, they would draft it or they would ask if we could collaborate on it. They have this idea, and how do they take this idea and turn it into an essay?

One of my philosophies when doing a book like this is that I’m far more interested in people who have interesting stories to tell than people who are necessarily great writers. We can make the writing shine. That’s what an editor does. An editor helps you take your writing from level 1 to level 5. You can’t do that though if you don’t have a story to share. Some of the writers here had never been published before or had never written nonfiction before and I don’t care. I would like to work with these people who have these compelling stories to share and then help them shine in the writing to make it stand out.

It’s one of the things I appreciate about the book. One of the things I appreciated about the list of ten books is that the contributor said, “I’m going to list these books here, but I didn’t really include people that have a fantasy about what mental health is like. I’m including people who’ve had mental health challenges and written about it.

Whether they wrote about it in nonfiction or they novelized it, it’s still their own life experience that you’re going to hear. There are plenty of people who struggle and overcome these things. We need to hear from them rather than somebody who has never really struggled but had a friend and they’re going to imagine what it was like.”

Owned Voices

It’s so important to hear from the people who lived through it. One of the debates that happens in the literary world is the idea of one’s own voice. That’s not really a phrase that’s used as much anymore, but the idea is that authentic stories and experiences are best told by the people who have lived them. Let’s use autism as a great example here. A parent writing about their child’s autism is one thing, but that’s not the same thing as that child writing their own experiences of having autism. That’s not to say one is more correct than the other.

They each have value. We don’t want to exclude the one that has such rich value, which is the person who’s had the lived experience.

Thank you. You said it exactly right. There’s value in hearing from the parents about what it’s like to parent a kid who has different needs than what you might have anticipated when you were expecting to have a child. That child’s voice is as important. That child’s voice contributes to the canon we have about autism in the literature and in life more broadly.

Do you know about the website Mad in America?

No.

Robert Whitaker’s Mad in America are the voices of people who’ve had lived experience with mental health. The other one I wanted to mention to you is Brooke Siem. She wrote the book May Cause Side Effects. It is a really compelling story. She’s a very good writer. It’s a story as much about what her mental health struggles were like as the recovery, getting off of medications, and how difficult that was. To highlight those for you, the website, Mad in America, is a resource for people. They can either post their own stories or get resources on getting help with mental health from a more holistic or functional medicine perspective than, “Here’s a list of symptoms, and here’s a medication. Let’s cross-match them.”

For a lot of people, that never works. I am on medication. For me, the first one got it right. For most people, that’s never the experience. A lot of people don’t want to be on medication, and that’s as valid as somebody like me who is like, “I found the right one. I’m good.” Part of what I was thinking about in putting this together was to try and showcase how broad those experiences are. No one is better than another because every person has needs, desires, and interests in what they want to do for their own health. It’s important to make clear that those options exist and they’re all going to help you. At the end of the day, the goal is to get you the help that you need in a way that works best for you.

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You’re opening the door to that as you make the conversation more direct or more in our faces. One of the things that comes out is you have a story here of a young woman who was on a college campus when a shooting happened. Here’s a story where the challenges that she faced were brought on or triggered by this traumatic event. You have all kinds of other stories where people didn’t have a lot of trauma in their life, and yet, all of a sudden, their brain starts telling them things. Some other part of their brain is saying, “It’s not logical, but it’s true.” The battle of rage is inside of us.

I love the way that you went around the spectrum of people who from the time they were born function differently to people who functioned pretty normally and then all of a sudden, they hit puberty or something and it’s different, or people who’ve had a trauma and everything’s different. One of the things that we struggle with in the mental health field is trying to help people find the permission to take time to do the healing work. In the story of the young woman who was there at a shooting on a college campus, even her boyfriend started telling her, “You weren’t shot. Let it go.” It seems ridiculous to somebody in the mental health field, but it seems logical to the boyfriend.

When I was putting this together and outlining the kind of topics I wanted to make sure I covered, I could not put a book together like this that didn’t include some kind of, and I hate using the word here, common trauma that young people go through. School shootings were the thing that I was like, “I really want to find somebody who can write about this,” knowing how difficult it’s going to be for them to write about it.

Emily, who wrote that particular piece, had written a couple of other stories and had been quoted about her experience. I reached out to her knowing she has been open about it already, and she was very eager to talk about it. A part of the reason is because this is such a common thing young people are dealing with, but also for the very reason you bring up. It’s going to impact every person differently, and each way a person deals with it is valid.

It’s understanding that maybe for her boyfriend at the time, it didn’t impact him, and it’s normal. It’s also normal that she was deeply impacted by it. Understanding that range of responses is so important because then, you can be a better advocate and a better lifeline for somebody who maybe does need that extra help that you don’t need. It also helps you understand where those responses like that from her boyfriend come from. Our brains don’t all work the same way.

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Culturally, we have this, “Let’s pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, get back to work, and take our minds off of it,” etc. That has very limited utility for most of the population. For some of the population, it’s got no use at all. It’s negative in its impact if you don’t acknowledge the trauma effect or don’t acknowledge your mental health challenges and give yourself permission to find resources. In your own story, you went for a while thinking, “It’s the way it is,” and now, you can talk about, “Guess what? When I reached out and got some help for it, I had a whole different experience of life and myself.”

It’s so scary to take that first step even if you have all the support in the world.

On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me Crazy

Don’t Call Me Crazy: It’s so scary to take the first step, even if you have all the support in the world.

 

I ’m a licensed clinical psychologist. In a few months, I’ll finish 50 years of doing this work. I knew I wanted to be a therapist, so I got out of college, spent five years working in corrections, and then decided to go back for my doctorate in clinical psychology. Without even realizing it, I pushed myself to the point of a nervous breakdown to get out of college. I didn’t even realize it. I wouldn’t have labeled it that way, but looking back, that’s exactly what happened.

I then got into grad school. It was a trimester system. I was taking 15 and 16 hours and working 2 and 3 jobs at a time. At the end of the 1st trimester of the 2nd year, I was right there up against the wall of another nervous breakdown. I had the perfect excuse. It was like, “I’m going to be a therapist. I need to have my own therapy. This is my tool,” but I still almost couldn’t bring myself to pick up the phone and ask for help. It’s challenging for some of us. I don’t know what’s set for everybody, but I knew I had the perfect excuse and I still almost didn’t pick up the phone to ask for help.

That’s such a great example because even if you know what you should be doing and you feel confident that you can do it, doing it is a whole different experience. If you are like most people who don’t have an incredible support system or have that background knowledge, what do you do? You keep going through the motions and it keeps building inside of you, only making it worse.

That’s why I love books like yours because it helps bring the conversation. That’s what Journey’s Dream is trying to do. We’re trying to help rewrite the narrative on mental health so that we can talk about it like we talk about the weather and the experiences that we expect people to be able to live healthy and happy lives and optimal well-being. If we have a challenge that’s traumatic, we can help people make it transformative. You can’t do that if you’re not willing to have the conversation. There I was in the perfect environment. Almost everybody I knew was in therapy. They were talking about their analysis or their therapist and this and that, but I still was terrified to make that call.

I’ve had the opportunity to talk to a lot of young people about this book. The day it was published, in fact, there was a community up in Wisconsin that used it for One Book, One Community, so everybody in the community could get a copy of the book. It was given to all of the high schoolers. It was given to middle schoolers who may have wanted it.

I got to do a community-wide talk, and then I went into the classrooms of most, if not all, of the English high school classes that day and talked with them about the book. Every single experience there in terms of the presentation I did for the community and all those classroom visits, people wanted to talk. This was like their permission slip to talk about a thing that they were not talking about in other places.

I think about that all the time and think about why people aren’t giving themselves these permission slips more often. We know why. It’s still frowned upon. It’s still stigmatized. Once you give people permission to start these conversations, they’re eager to. We all have brains. We all want to talk about what’s going on up here, whether it’s going great or it’s not.

I think about that and think about those kids who were raising their hands and asking questions like, “Is there an essay about this particular topic in the book?” and being able to say, “Yes, there is.” They were like, “What about this topic?” and I was like, “Yes, there is.” I had students who would come up to me and say, “I’m so stressed out. How do I do anything with this?” It was like, “You have to ask for help. It’s not easy and it’s not going to be fun, but the resources are there.”

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We’re in a culture where a lot of these resources have been developed, but they’re not taught in the school system. They’re not in the mainstream. To some degree, they’re not even in the primary of what you might call the mainstream therapy, that traditional talk therapy. A book like this lets these things come out. Some of your pieces talk about, “When it became known that I had this, here’s how people started talking to me differently. Here’s how people started doubting my judgment. Here’s how I had to learn to talk about it, push back, and set good limits.” It’s very valuable to have a book like yours.

I think a lot about this example you gave. It’s the first essay where Shaun talks about having depression, getting this diagnosis, and how grateful he was to finally have this in the books and be able to do something about it. It was then used against him by people he worked with. He had built up this confidence around this experience he’s having, and then in one moment, his employer suggested that because of a response he gave at work, it must have been his depression talking.

How many people do we know who probably have had very similar experiences? They get to this moment of, “I know this thing about myself. I can learn from this thing about myself. I can develop tools to help me navigate the world,” but then one person says something like that or doubts their abilities to get better and they’re back at square one.

It’s a very common pattern that I see in therapy where a family member, not even a boss, after someone’s had a mental health challenge and/or they’ve been to therapy, and/or they’re taking medication, we’re in some kind of a disagreement. The person across from me says, “Why don’t you ask your therapist about your medication or taking medication?” or, “Why don’t you increase your medication?” as if that has anything to do with the content of the conversation. We all have to learn to navigate that differently. When we bring the conversation more to the front, mental health is not something that should be stigmatized. The more we stigmatize it, the harder it is to deal with it, and the more we talk about it as a part of life, the easier it is to bring these solutions to bear.

On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me Crazy

Don’t Call Me Crazy: The more we stigmatize mental health challenges, the harder it is to deal with them. The more we talk about it as a part of life, the easier it is to bring these solutions to bear.

 

The easier it is to understand that not everything a person does, thinks, or says is because of whatever mental health challenge they have. People have opinions that sometimes differ from a family member.

The Brain Is Not The Driver

The fact is the reverse. The fact is that unless it’s the most extreme case, most people who suffer with or struggle with a mental health challenge, most of what they say isn’t related to their mental health challenge. Most of the conversations and the way they function in the world is not driven by that challenge.

The brain is not the driver. They’re the driver. They’re trying to figure out how to navigate the brain. Talking about that is so important and reminding people like, “I might have depression, but that’s not what’s driving me every day. I recognize when it shows up. That’s when it’s a signal to me to like, “You got to take care of yourself. You got to do your coping stuff. You got to do your yoga, do your breathing exercises, take your medication,” and the list of things I know that work, but that doesn’t change the fact that I still might be mad about something or sad about something that has nothing to do with my mental health.”

The idea that I’m hoping for a lot of people if they engage this book and/or the list of books that are offered in one of the writings is to humanize the person they’re dealing with who may or may not have a mental health challenge at different levels. That’s one of the things I have high hopes for when people like you bring a book out like this. If we dehumanize the person, we take so many things off the table that might be of value.

Think about that too in terms of teenagers whose hormones are also raging at this time. The number of parents who will attribute actual mental health challenges to, “They have raging hormones right now,” or vice versa. That’s why it’s so important for these conversations to start early and to be part of talking about growing up and being a person in the world. It’s like, “Sometimes, you’re going to be sad. Here’s what we have to worry about when that sadness becomes problematic,” which I hate that word, “Or it becomes something we should be more concerned about.”

It starts to create problems for the person.

At what point, if you’re young, is it legitimately like, “Your hormone factory, how much of this is going to get better once you’re through? This growth spurt or this puberty moment, how much is something that we need to intervene on to make sure that you can get through this?”

As you’re saying that, I think about Catherine Adams. I interviewed her. She deals with early intervention for psychotic episodes in young people. It is so important and yet so little talked about. At the time I was interviewing her, she had an office across the street from either Michigan or Michigan State. I forget what university.

She had the statistics there in front of her that say 3 out of every 100 people in their late teens or early twenties are going to have some form of mental functioning that’s so intense. It might be called a psychotic episode or some kind of psychosis. The simple definition for that is that I have difficulty telling the difference between the images and thoughts my mind creates and what’s happening out in the world that other people would agree like, “That did happen.” In the extreme, it might be that I see pink elephants floating around the room. In the milder cases, it might be that I experienced this person as being angry at me when five other people in the room thought, “She was saying hello.”

H ere’s this woman who knows how beneficial it can be to have an early intervention for people who go through that, and across the street from her are 30,000 or 40,000 young kids. She says, “Think about that.” If 3 out of every 100 have it, guess how many people right across the street are struggling with this and they’re never going to get help, be told they could have help, or have it offered to them unless people like Catherine Adams, you, and others make this conversation more easy and top of mind?

You and I are in Illinois. We are in a state that has been more progressive on a lot of issues than many other states. I regularly think about queer kids in particular. In this generation of teenagers, 1 out of every 4 self-identify as being in the LGBTQ+ community. That’s self-identifying. We know that there are many reasons that young people wouldn’t self-identify.

When you think about those kids, how many are struggling with their mental health because of how stigmatized those identities are in this country? In some states, they’re told that they’re illegal to live there, that their lives are not valued at all, and that they do not have rights at all simply because of an identity that they have. What is that going to look like ten years from now when these kids are no longer teenagers? They’re young adults and are living on their own. If they have not had the help that they need not just about their identity but any mental health issues on top of that, how are they going to function as adults? I don’t know.

It’s always been a challenge in any culture that wants to suppress these things. I think back to mentioning that I’m right on the cusp of finishing 50 years with this. When I first started work in this field, the book that they call the Bible for psychiatrists, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, listed homosexuality as a disease. It’s like, “It’s a disorder. We can cure it.” I sat through videos of people showing group sessions where they’re trying to convince people they can change their sexual preference, etc.

The only way that changed was because psychiatrists had to come out of the closet and say, “Droves of us who have gotten medical degrees, who have been your colleagues, and who you see as intelligent, consistent, and reliable have this going on in our lives and are hiding it. You’ve labeled it a disease. We’re sitting here living a double life. We’re like, “This is a disease. This is my life and I feel completely normal. I’m living a healthy, well-adjusted life.” If they hadn’t come out and voiced it, it never would’ve gotten changed in that book in the next edition. We need heroes. We need people who are willing to have the conversation. We need a movement to move that conversation into a safe place. I thank you for doing that with this book.

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I really love that you brought that example up. It is important to emphasize that it is people who did put their lives on the line by coming out like that who have made it so one-quarter of teens feel comfortable admitting that they live on the spectrum somewhere. That would never have happened many years ago. That wouldn’t have happened several years ago.

The challenge they face is in Missouri, for example, our neighboring state, they can’t get gender-affirming care. How are they cared for in any medical institution or any psychiatric or psychological care facility if they can’t get the gender-affirming care that they deserve? It puts the helping community counselor, psychiatrists, and the whole umbrella of helping people in a tough spot. Your role is to affirm people and to get them the help, validation, and resources that they need. If you’re also on this pedestal of the state watching you and saying, “You can’t do that,” what do you do?

It’s a big challenge. I thank you for this opportunity to talk about your book. Go ahead and tell people how they can get a hold of you the best way that you prefer to have them reach out to you or get your book.

My book is available anywhere books are sold, so big-name bookstores. If you prefer not to buy it at a big-name bookstore, go to your indie. If it’s not on the shelf or your indie, ask them to get it. They can get it for you. It’s in eBook print. There are no audiobook versions of this book, but if you are print-challenged and need a copy on audio, some of the resources that are out there for hard-of-hearing folks to get audiobooks, you might be able to track down a copy that way.

The title is (Don’t) Call Me Crazy: 33 Voices Start the Conversation about Mental Health. What if they want to reach out to you?

You can find me on my website. My website has all my information on it. It’s KellyBJensen.com.

Thank you so much for taking the time. I appreciate your doing this. It’s a big value to a lot of us.

Thank you for having me. I’m honored that you brought me on here and we could talk about this.

Thank you so much. Take care.

 

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About Kelly Jensen

On Your Mind | Kelly Jensen | Don't Call Me CrazyKelly Jensen is an Editor at Book Riot (bookriot.com), where she covers all things young adult literature and has written about censorship for nearly ten years. She is the author of three critically-acclaimed and award-winning anthologies for young adults on the topics of feminism, mental health, and the body. She lives in the Chicago area with her husband, daughter, and a menagerie of pets.

 

 

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