Humans faced with adversity or trauma always find a way to cope. But that natural human response to adversity is almost always pathologized in the mainstream. People are given labels based on the “symptoms” they exhibit. Does it really address the problem at hand? Jason Shiers has been on both sides of the psychotherapist’s table, and he found himself on a long journey to understanding how the human mind really works and how it can be guided to heal itself from trauma. This understanding became the basis for Infinite Recovery Project, an addiction recovery paradigm that eschews labels and diagnoses, opting to focus on individual transformation instead. Join this conversation and learn how this radical approach to healing can change the way we look at trauma recovery for good!
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Jason Shiers Psychotherapist And Transformative Coach With Lived Experience Of Trauma And Recovery
Jason Shiers is a certified psychotherapist and transformative coach who has gone through the full journey from childhood trauma to addictions, mental health problems, jails, and psychiatric care, onto a Twelve-Step recovery and becoming a professional helping up others. His story is painful and eye-opening. It shows how the system pathologizes normal, intelligent human responses to tragic life circumstances. It also shows how there is a way out for everyone when people learn to discover their true natural wisdom.
Jason, welcome. Thanks for joining us. I was hoping you could start us off by letting us know a little bit about how you got into the work you do and what drives your passion for it.
We talked about this. It is such a long story with so many facets. I try to keep it as short as possible because my story started with trauma and a tragic event with the loss of my dad. He was killed in an accident when I was five years old. He went out and didn’t come back. The police came and that was the start of cosmic and catastrophic loss.
In my diving into trauma in later years, I saw that there was little connection with my mother. My dad was the connection in my life. It was very catastrophic. I was overwhelmed by a traumatic event. From there on in, I lost both parents because the other parent couldn’t cope. If anyone asked me to describe my childhood, I would say work it out for yourself. That was what it was.
For healthy development, as I’m sure you know, nurturing, love, and guidance are required in abundance for children. There was pretty much zero. One of the things I talk about in my work is resilience and innate intelligence or built-in wisdom. Children in adversity and trauma always find a way to cope. It so happens that coping mechanisms may well have been pathologized by somebody along the way and there may be a whole label and bunch of opinions and theories about what it is, what is wrong, and how to fix it.Children in adversity and trauma always find a way to cope. Click To Tweet
My innate intelligence picked up food as a comfort, loyal companion, friend, and coping mechanism. Also, being off-key behaviorally and withdrawn to the point of being diagnosed with depression and medicated when I was nine years old. That was my entry into the psychiatric system and many years of diagnosis, psychiatric intervention, and chaos. I’ve medicated on different things.
From there, things went from bad to worse. My coping mechanism was withdrawal. It was creating chaos, committing crime, stealing from home, being unruly and off-key, and stuffing as much food in my mouth as I could as a way of coping with what seemed like being dealt a bad hand, a horrific life. I was put on diet pills at twelve years old by a private doctor to curb my appetite because I couldn’t stop eating. All people could see was the manifestation in my body and the external results of my coping mechanism, which was a balloon and gaining weight.
I found drugs as a teenager at thirteen years old. I hadn’t even drunk alcohol once or twice. I didn’t do the same thing for me. It was when I found heroin. That was my escape from myself. I can remember the first time I ever took drugs. I was like, “This is what I had been searching for my whole life.” It was true. It was what I had been searching for my whole life. It was peace and respite for myself. In a way, my mind and thoughts quiet down. My pain and suffering dissipated in those moments of taking drugs. I felt a sense of ease and comfort.
I attributed that to the drugs. I didn’t realize what was going on at that time. At that point, I can remember where I was and whose house I was at that day. My friend said to me, “Look at you. You are addicted already.” I was like, “I’m excited.” I had been thinking of seven years in pain, suffering, overweight, withdrawn, isolated, medicated, in and out of psychiatric interventions. When I was only fourteen, for the first time, I found myself feeling okay. I’m having a break for myself or being able to relax. It was like lifting the invisible rucksack off your back full of rocks.
From there, I already knew how to commit a crime. I had been doing that since I could remember. It made sense to commit crimes, sell things, make money, and buy drugs. I went straight into that criminal world to the point that progressed into organized crime. As I got a little bit older, I was in and out of jails and institutions for crimes. It was always related to drugs. I was committing crimes to get money to take more drugs.
I was already homeless by that. My family didn’t want anything to do with me. They couldn’t leave anything valuable around because I would take it. My mom was having a horrific experience. She didn’t know what to do with me. In her efforts to love me in many ways, she tried all things that were contributing factors to my bitterness at the time. My withdrawal and feelings are separate and alone in the world. That carried on.
By 23, I already had 10 years of that chaos in and out of jails and institutions. I was so tired. I had been shoplifting for joints of meat to get enough money to get a small amount of drugs to feel normal. I got to the point where I was tired. I couldn’t go out. I hid myself. I wore scarves, hats, and hoodies because I got arrested every time I went out for something different. In my mind, I looked inconspicuous but I stood out like a sore thumb is the truth. I was stealing joints of meat, packets of bacon, or blocks of cheese in the supermarket to find a small amount of money to feel normal.
That was where it was at the end. It wasn’t extravagant. It was desperate. It was empty, living in a homeless shelter. That is where it ended up. I went to Twelve-Step rehab. I knew nothing about the Twelve-Step and psychology, the mind, the human experience, or our spiritual nature. I was very naive. When I went to rehab, they said, “You got a disease. It is called addiction. We can’t explain it. It is unexplainable phenomena. You got it for the rest of your life. You need to do these things every single day to be okay.” I went, “Okay, no question.” They were like, “You can’t drink and take drugs ever again.” I was like, “I will do it.”
I was desperate and homeless. I owned a bin bag full of clothes. That was it. I would have believed anything that gave me a bit of freedom. What happened was I stopped taking drugs and went straight back to food. Food was a primary addiction for me when I lost my dad. It is a soothing and comforting experience. I gained 100 pounds in about 12 weeks in rehab in weight because I was stealing food out of bins, sneaking down into the kitchen at night, and watching every single person eating in the dining room, stealing the food that was left over on the plates, stashing it in my room, and eating it. It was whack-a-mole addiction.
I started with drugs and alcohol but I picked up something else to replace it with. Everyone is cheering you on saying, “How great you are doing not using one day at a time and not taking drugs.” Little do they know, you are sitting in the room binging, purging, feeling desperately empty, and looking at yourself in the mirror, wanting to cut bits of yourself off, hating on your body.
Most guys I know over the years got clean between 120 and 130 pounds. Within a few months, they were 200 and 250. They are all piling on the weight. It seems a common thing and is laughed about. It is not taken that seriously. Not all men feel that bad about their bodies but I was desperate. I have a long story with the food addiction stuff in recovery from drugs and alcohol.
In the first 15 years, I had 7 cosmetic operations trying to remove skin and parts of my body. Two of them were in third-world countries because it was cheaper. You can see the desperation in that. I was trying to go to sleep and wake up thin and happy. It was there in me. I was desperate if I could change the outside of myself to fix the inside.
That was one of the many stories while I was going through the Twelve-Step, training to be a therapist, desperately empty inside, seeking relationships, looking through gambling and pornography, and even crime in recovery. I call it recovery because that is what we call it but it doesn’t look like that much recovery. I wasn’t taking drugs and alcohol but that was it. I was doing everything else.
There was no healing happening.
I was not willing and prepared. I had no guidance. I heard the term, “The answers are within.” The people saying it didn’t know what it meant. The Twelve-Step guidance came from people that were still lost themselves. In a way, it saved my life. I’m always grateful for the Twelve-Step, the people I met, and the journey I went on. In another way, it was like the blind leading the blind at the time.
One thing I always talk about is the feeling of seeking. Everyone used to say to me that I was around, “You need to stop seeking things because what you are seeking is your problem. If you stop seeking things, people, women, relationships, and sex, you will be okay.” That came from good advice, which is useless to everyone. It comes from people who don’t know themselves. Everyone got some good advice for you.
I see it as my intuition and knowledge of home. I know there is a place of peace available and a respite within myself but I didn’t know where to look. I kept turning over every stone I came to. That was my training in the world of psychology. It was qualification after qualification in transactional analysis, psychodynamic therapy, person-centered counseling, CBT, and NLP.
I went on and did all of Tony Robbins, the Hoffman Process, the Landmark Forum, and silent meditations. I read books that would look great at the time but were meaningless to me. I didn’t understand the depth or profundity of what they were pointing to. I kept suffering, even when I was a therapist. I used to describe it as we could sit in the dark together but none of us knew where the light switch was.
I was good at sitting in the dark with people. I became present and attuned to people’s pain because I had become so attuned to my pain by the experiential training I had done but I didn’t know where joy, contentment, and peace of mind were. I didn’t even understand what they were myself. My life was still a front on the outside.
The character that I call Jason that exists in my mind was leading the way looking good and showing up in a way that people believed he was doing well but the internal experience of myself was horrific, painful, withdrawn, and resigned. This was it. I didn’t think I was ever going to find peace. There was still that little pilot light. I was still getting the boiler. Even when the gases are off, you can see the little flame going. When you turn the gas on, it lights up. The pilot light was there. The pilot light is on for all people always, even sometimes when the flame is low.
I found this course online. It was quite funny because I had been in this Tony Robbins thing where we shared resources to watch videos. Someone gave me a login for Hay House Radio. There was this course in there called The Path of Effortless Change. My life had been anything but effortless. It felt like walking in quicksand ever since I started thinking.
At this point, I’m 42 or 43. I found the name of this course. I thought, “Whatever that is, I need to know what it is because anything effortless sounds better than what I got.” Michael was sharing about the three principles, which were the discoveries of Sydney Banks. I didn’t know that at the time. I listened to this guy talking. He didn’t talk about it.
What was his name?
Michael Neill. He is quite a famous coach in Los Angeles. I listened to it. There was something in me that resonated deeply with what was being talked about. I couldn’t put my intellectual mind. My educated mind couldn’t reconcile what it was. It didn’t make particular intellectual sense. There was a resonance within me of this feeling of connection to what was being shared. It was a deeper truth about the human experience, our true nature, innate resilience, and wisdom.
It didn’t make sense to my small mind at that point but there was something in me that thought, “I got to know more about this. I have to know more about it.” I ended up in LA at Michael’s house for what they called an intensive. That was the most relaxed thing you could ever do. It was two days of sitting, listening, talking, and sharing stuff. I don’t believe that human beings get enlightened. They just discover the truth of who they are. They are not that. It is covered up by the veil of pathologized normal human responses to adversity and stories we tell ourselves.Human beings don’t get enlightened. They just discover the truth of who they are. Click To Tweet
Somewhere in those two days, that is when I realized the creation of my mind. I was the lead character in my mind in the movie playing in my mind but that wasn’t who I was. It wasn’t the truth of me. I realized that there is part of me that has always been perfect, had never been damaged, and couldn’t be damaged. I had this real profound experiential feeling of bliss and peace. I knew at that moment.
I was massive because afterward, I was going, “I haven’t got more money, got any relationship, and haven’t lost weight. Nothing has changed. What is going on?” I sat at the back of this Airbnb in Woodland Hills in Los Angeles and listened to the birds in the evening. I sat there on this little swing. I still feel the joy of being free. At that moment, I was thinking, “This was what I have been seeking.” It was a discovery of myself and the realization that I was okay. I had spent my whole life escaping from my mind.
Not that there wasn’t trauma. That is not a thing or anything like that. Every day, I made up this story of a victim in my mind from soon as I started waking my thinking about myself. I had escaped the suffering that I had created on the same day. I realized that there was this transient no-energy noise that we call thought passing through my mind on a daily basis that didn’t have any inherent power of its own. It was just noise. I was free to pay attention to it or not.
After that, the noise in my mind died down. It became an old radio in the background. I had a client and I said, “I have no negative thinking about myself. I don’t remember having that same old stuff that I woke up to every single day, complete utter devastation and negativity. It would have been horrible to be me if that thinking was your only relationship with yourself. I lived in the feeling of. I will pause here.”
From the life change unrecognizably to put a practical seeing of the impact of that experience, I never had psychiatric care after that and stopped going to Twelve-Step meetings after 22 years. I emailed my therapist of seven years. I was very picky about therapists because I knew a lot. I had been through a lot of training myself. I said, “The next session with the last one, I don’t need this anymore.” I knew I couldn’t practice as a therapist myself. I didn’t know what I would do or how I would share my work at that point.
All these things were so clear to me. I was certain that my life had changed in a way I had never experienced before. Since then, it has been an evolution of that deepening and seeing of the human experience. It was the mind-body connection and the spiritual truth of who we are and how that plays out. That is what informs my work. It has evolved since that moment in many ways. That was the start of now.
You said, “As soon as that happened, you realized you couldn’t do therapy as a therapist anymore. You didn’t want to continue doing therapy as a client anymore.” What have you done since then? Where has your work gone?
I come back. At first, I thought that spirituality was superior. I heard this a lot from other people. It was like, “In spirituality, you don’t need to do techniques or anything. You are okay. You have always been okay. You need to see that. It is off the mind.” I had suffered for so long so I thought there was this way of finding true peace and bliss on a permanent basis. Somewhere along the line, I realized that being in the human experience was not about not experiencing any emotions or feelings that you don’t like. It wasn’t that.
I have done many years of spiritual explorations in non-duality, the three-principle stuff we talked about, and other spiritual traditions, practices, and meditations. It comes back to the trauma work of the body and the somatic experience. My years of all that stuff blended. It is my holistic approach to well-being I see for myself and my evolution of my myself. It is what keeps me sane, free, and joyful. That is how I work with others.
Do you work one-on-one? Do you have group settings? What is the format you use?
It is both groups and one-to-one. I’m teaching some other people’s programs as a teacher, my addiction stuff, and one-to-one as a coach. Sometimes with couples, individuals, young people, and adults, men and women.
You mentioned being in California with Michael Neill and at this thing that you called intensive. You described it as the most relaxing thing you could do for two days. Are you aware of what allowed the shift? Do you remember anything about that dynamic or process that was key for you?
When I’m teaching or training in a group, it is one of the things I start with because I feel like while you can’t give someone an insight, you can somewhat create some conditions and set up some parameters that would help people see beyond the intellectual thinking mind. I was so educated. I led the way with my brain, what I knew, and what I thought I knew. It was ego-fueled brain intelligence.
There was no way for me to know that there was something beyond that. There was that filter. Every bit of information ran through that filter. The typical brain-processing filter is useful. Should I store it for later? Is it something I know? Have I heard this before? Is it good or bad? That is what is going on in this fast receiving and processing of information in the brain.
I sat there with my notebook. It cost a lot of money and I was angry. I was thinking to myself, “All these letters after my name and qualifications, what can this guy teach me?” It was expensive to get there. A friend of mine had given me the money because I didn’t even have the money. I was so grateful for that. I was thinking, “How do I get my money’s worth here?”
I had been at Tony Robbins, 18-hour days and 5 days a week. This guy said, “We are going to have two hours for lunch.” He was already half an hour late for starting at 10:00. I was getting angry thinking, “We need this time because I need to get the information on what it is going to fix me.” He said to me, “Can you be here?” Looking back at that simple statement, no one had ever invited me to be present in the present moment with what is.
He said to me, “You don’t need your book. You don’t need to make notes of this. If you hear something valuable to you, you will remember it. You don’t need to remember it through writing it down.” In every training I have ever been in, the instructor starts lecturing. Everyone takes out their notebook and puts their head down. No one is looking forward. Everyone is writing in their book the whole time. That was what I was used to because I have been in those academic stroke experiential type training.
For some reason, that loving invitation allows information to be absorbed rather than filtered. He said, “Can you not see if this is something you know or if it is good or bad or right or wrong? Don’t wait for your turn to speak. Let this stuff drift over you. Tomorrow or the next day, we will see what you are still struggling with.”
I don’t remember what we talked about. I remember one thing about those two days. It was a question about security. “Where does security come from?” There were five of us. He said, “You have a thing about where security comes from.” We will write it up on the whiteboard. I did this usual thing that I do. I worked out how much money I needed a month over how many months I figured it would take me to get a new job. That was my belief about security.
Everyone came up with a different number. The highest was $1 million. Mine was $50,000. The realization came that security or any feeling can’t come from outside of yourself. I was like, “Interesting. I know how to look inwardly.” It is what that meant to reflect on my experience, the creation of my beliefs and understanding of myself, and reflection on the outside world.
Sydney Banks’ primary message was, “Life is an inside-out experience, not an outside-in experience. Everything is happening inside of you. Nothing is related to what is happening outside of you. Everything is thought and perception not relative to the objective world outside of us.” That is the realization I had there. That invitation from Michael is what I give to people when they join a group that I run.Life is an inside out experience. Everything is thought and perception, not relative to the objective world outside of us. Click To Tweet
Another thing I give is don’t listen to my words if you are turning up where I’m a trainer. I’m telling you not to listen to me. It sounds counterproductive but in a way, I don’t want people listening for me to be right, me being the answer and them having the problem. I want people to see for themselves. Look inwardly if what I’m saying resonates with you and see if this holds any value. Whatever you see, trust that because that was the invitation given to me in those moments. That is what allowed me to settle down enough to hear something priceless.
When you let that in, all of your guardedness was relaxed enough to let it in. You experienced something different than you had ever experienced before. That is where the growth happened. Do you run groups through video for long distances? Is it all in person? What is the format you are using to engage people?
It is through Zoom. I find it is as effective. I love face-to-face and being with people. The pandemic cemented it more for other people to be comfortable with it. There are some interesting things people always look at. Let’s start with listening. How do we listen? Everyone thinks they are a great listener. “Who is a good listener?” You put your hand up. Everyone goes through this as I did.
We start talking about listening with nothing on our mind or listening to be impacted. What does it mean to listen to be impacted? What does it mean to listen to something new? Not to listen to be right, wait your turn for the answer, or critically consume and assess information but to be present. With a group, I set the scene of being relaxed and seeing what it would be to have an insight and see something new, and how that might come about. I’m letting people off the hook from the brain we carry around that guarded mind.
That is not a guarantee of anything but it sets the scene. It gives people more of a capacity to hear something new, which might be life-changing. There is some stuff from a group point of view. There are videos and worksheets. All the worksheets are not examinations. They are more like reflective exercises. You are seeing the role of thought in your experience. A lot of them are questions and scene based. I’m setting a scene for something and asking people to reflect on it.
One of my favorite ones is about traffic. It is an exercise. It sets the scene for two days on the same route to work, both with the same traffic. On one day, you are stressed, angry, beeping, road rage, and pissed off with everyone. Your day is ruined. The next day, it’s the same traffic, route, and time. You are happy to let everyone in and you are listening to music. What changes? What is different? People realize, “It is myself and perception. It is happening within me.” It points out that traffic is everything outside of yourself at all times. All of life, it is the traffic. It is nothing that it doesn’t extend to.
All the exercises are geared towards pointing people inwardly and seeing the role of thought and perception in their experience and how human experience is created within. They are changing that outward facing. Often people are already looking inwardly but they outward facing, “It is my girlfriend. It is my job. It is my life. It is my children. If I could get the right partner or job and stop being let down by friends, we would move away from that straight away to what is happening inside of me.”
My book is not quite finished but it has two parts to recovery. That is the seeing of the mind, what is happening in the mind, the belief-based psychological system, and the experience of the body. I won’t go too much into trauma first because I want people to see how their minds exacerbate and how their connection of imaginary dots continues to perpetuate the experience of trauma in the body.
Once people have had that insight into their beliefs and mind in the creation of experience happening within, we can look at the body, nervous system, and the somatic response to whatever trauma related that has been stored up from early childhood experiences. It is nonlinear in that of the teaching points. There are some exercises, live groups, and one-to-ones.
How do you get people coming to you? What is the source for people becoming aware of your work?
I have worked in addiction treatment for a long time. Most people get referred to me or find me in different social media ways. I worked for one of the UK’s biggest private addiction treatment companies. I did their marketing. I wasn’t a therapist there but I was involved in a massive job building nine treatment centers across the UK. A lot of people knew me for my addiction work. It took 29 years for me to recover. People appear in my path.
Are they mostly people who are working with recovering from addiction? Is it the whole panoply of humans with issues to work out or wanting to have a better life?
I can’t work with people that require medical intervention. They require further care than I can provide in an online process. That is one of my things. Anyone that requires medical intervention needs to go through that process first. A whole host of people struggling with hidden addiction, secret things, pornography, and gambling somewhat have a functional life to people that are unfunctionally struggling with more binge-based drugs that don’t require medical intervention, like cannabis, for example. It is always different. Eating is quite often and common. Debt, money, finances, and relationships are very common.
One of the interesting things I get is that people say to me, “You are the first person to tell me I wasn’t broken and what I’m experiencing is a normal human response to adversity. It is my built-in coping mechanism playing out in that way.” That is what I help people to see. It makes perfect sense if you had an internal disease to have an external coping mechanism. It has been pathologized, turned into a thing, and you have been medicated for. You believed it had been the source of your problems. I was helping people to see they are okay and that coping mechanism is intelligence at work.
The book, The Deepest Well, have you been exposed to that one? Nadine Burke Harris was a pediatrician that discovered the ACEs study back in the ‘90s. She was amazed that she had gotten her medical degree and was licensed to practice. No one had ever told her about adverse childhood events, the correlations between that, and our physical and mental-emotional problems later in life.
I know that study.
Are you familiar with the book In The Realm of Hungry Ghost?
Wonderful stuff has been coming out over the past several years. It helps people like you get exposed to the idea that whatever we are doing, we got good reasons for doing it. If we can uncover those reasons and see the dynamics at their core, we have developed some experience, wisdom, and skills that can allow us to achieve those same goals without having all the adverse effects.
One of the things I wrote in my book is, “Man is infinitely creative.” It is related to this. Thomas Insel was the Director of the National Institute for Mental Health for fifteen years in the US. One of the statements he made in his book or the media was, “In $20 billion, they haven’t moved the needle in mental health. Reality was a construct. Every other area of science had moved on massively by leaps and bounds but in mental health, they hadn’t even moved the needle.” That was his words. One of the things in my book is about helping people to see the normal human response to adversity. That is where I was going.
You were going to give a quote from your book, “Normal human response to adversity.”
It has been pathologized. Man is infinitely creative because we have created 500 or 600 new talking therapies. I talk about Einstein. It was like, “What if the answer was simple?” No one is willing to look in that direction of simplicity because that wouldn’t be conducive to mankind’s creative progress. No one is going to go, “We are looking in the wrong direction. Let’s look at the simplicity of how the human design is perfect, working as it should.”
We are never going to look that way. We are going to keep creating new problems and solutions. Innocently, no one got bad intentions. I’m not pointing the finger here. There is no maliciousness going on but we innocently create and perpetuate the idea. We find the solution for it in our system and innocent people take that on.
I like to give one little example of that. If you have a list of symptoms, you go to a psychiatrist and say, “Here is what is happening.” They say, “How long has this been happening? How intense is this? What about this thing?” They take off 6 of the 9 lists out of the DSM diagnosis. You go away with medication and a little code against your name on a label. You start telling everyone the reason for everything is for innocent people. You are like, “The reason for all these behaviors, suffering, and all these things that have been happening is this thing I have been told.” It could never have been a cause because it was only a description of behavior in the first place but people think that is true.
That is one of the major flaws of the system. What Krishnamurti and David Bohm would talk about is, “There is this fundamental flaw in our process of thought as applied to our thoughts and emotions.” David Bohm coined the term sustained incoherence. We do something that doesn’t work and makes sense. We think, “If we keep doing it more, harder and longer, eventually, we will get a solution.”
One of Einstein’s quotes was, “Any fool can make things more complicated but it takes a touch of genius to make things more simple.”
I realize we are running up against one of my hard stops here. I want you to take a breath, get centered, and think. If there is something we have already talked about that you want to go back and highlight or something we haven’t even mentioned yet that you want to put in here, what would that be?
The one thing I love people to know, if anyone is reading, is to support somebody who is suffering. I had done so much. I had been medicated and diagnosed for so long so I thought I was unfixable. This was all good what we were talking about here but it didn’t apply to me. If you knew how bad I was, you would have done the things that I had done, rubbed your parents, committed crimes, done the horrible things that you felt full of shame about, and done those things like me, you realize that this stuff was great.
For everyone else, I had done a few crimes, a little thing, or had a little struggle with drugs but it didn’t apply to me. What I’m saying is true for everyone. It doesn’t matter. It is irrelevant. You are not beyond that. The truth of the human experience, the spiritual truth, the innate intelligence, and the perfect mental health underneath all experiences are always there if you are willing to look for it. That is the one thing I would ask people to reflect on, not take my word for it but consider it for yourself.The truth of the human experience, the spiritual truth, the innate intelligence, the perfect mental health that's underneath all experience—it's always there if you're willing to look for it. Click To Tweet
I deeply appreciate your willingness to share your story with us and the work you are doing. If people want to get in touch with you, where do you direct them?
My addiction program is called InfiniteRecoveryProject.com. You can find information on it there. My podcast, MisunderstandingsOfTheMind.com, is about spiritual conversations around mental health. My website is WideWorldCoaching.com. You can find me in any of those places.
Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. It is an honor.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
- Jason Shiers
- The Path of Effortless Change
- The Deepest Well
- In The Realm of Hungry Ghost
About Jason Shiers
Jason Shiers is a certified psychotherapist and certified transformative coach that has gone through the full journey from childhood trauma to addictions and mental health problems, to jails and psychiatric care, to 12 step recovery and becoming a professional helping others.
His story is painful and eye opening showing how the system pathologizes normal intelligent human response to tragic life circumstances and also showing how there really is a way out for everyone when people discover their true nature and follow ‘their’ own wisdom.
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