OYM Timothy | Past Trauma


Are you aware that the physical pain you’re feeling can be connected to past trauma? Timothy J. Hayes, Psy.D., a Licensed Clinical Psychologist who specializes in relieving post-traumatic stress symptoms talks with Mitzi Montague-Bauer about the connection between physical pain and emotional trauma. He explains that majority of our discomfort is directly related to our mental, emotional processing and sometimes, what we feel physically or emotionally is a product of misuse of our mental energy. He highlights the importance of dealing with the roots of pain because he says that change doesn’t happen unless you apply the tools to do something.

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Creating Positive Change In People’s Lives By Learning To Relieve The Effects Of Past Trauma With Timothy J. Hayes, Psy.D.

This episode’s guest, Dr. Timothy J. Hayes, is a licensed clinical psychologist in private practice in Crystal Lake, Illinois with over 47 years of successful experience doing therapy with individuals and families. Dr. Hayes teaches people to use a variety of tools for personal and spiritual growth. He is passionate about helping people create positive change in their lives. Dr. Tim is active on the Journey’s Dream Board of Directors and is the esteemed host of the On Your Mind Podcast.

Welcome, Dr. Tim.

Thanks for having me, Mitzi. It’s good to see you.

You too. Most of our readers know you as our podcast host. You’ve interviewed over 60 guests. I’ve always appreciated your perspective when you’re interviewing the guests. I’m excited for our readers to learn more about you and the important work you’re doing. Tell us, Dr. Tim, what drives your passion? How did you get started in this important work?

OYM Timothy | Past Trauma

Past Trauma: If you have people that don’t even understand that the majority of their physical pain and discomfort is directly related to their mental, emotional processing, then you’re at a disadvantage.


I got hooked up with Journey’s Dream before it started. I had known your husband, Rex and the work of Dr. Michael Ryce for a lot of years. I had been involved in the internet show that they do for a year. I then met Rex in person in the fall of 2012. At the beginning of 2013, you lost Journey. I was around for all of that turmoil and was in some of the early planning stages for the Optimal Being Program and the Ruka Group. All these things eventually became Journey’s Dream or the parent organization of Journey’s Dream. Eventually, you honored me by asking me to be on the board of Journey’s Dream. I’ve taken over the program committee with that, which includes the responsibility to produce these podcasts.

We’re so grateful for you being involved in Journey’s Dream. Let me say, for the space you held for us when Journey died. We got texts from you regularly. I hadn’t met you yet. I appreciate the love that you extended to us during that time. Since then, all the work you’ve done with us to create Journey’s Dream.

You’re welcome and deserving. What brought me to the point where I was in a position to be of service at that time was that I had been doing therapy. I eventually became a psychologist and I had been in practice for a lot of years by then. In 2021, it is 47 years I’ve been doing therapy. What got me into that was at one of my father’s best friends, when I was growing up, was a very bright psychologist. I looked up at him. He said to me one time when I was about 13, 14 years old, “You’d make a good psychologist.” I didn’t do much with that.

When my dreams to become an engineer fell apart because I couldn’t do the math, I ended up in college. The course I was drawn to is psychology. Before I knew it, I had taken every psych course they offered at my college. During the last couple of years of college, I was helped paying for it by being a probation officer. After college, I did another five years in corrections work and decided, “These people are asking for more skill and training than I have to offer.” I went back to school for a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology. It took me 9.5 years to get the degree but I had to work a number of jobs to pay for that. All those jobs were therapy jobs.

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By the time I got my doctorate, I’d been doing therapy supervised by very good clinicians for fifteen years. From a family perspective, what I came to learn was that underneath that little sketchy story, my father’s mother had severe depression. My father, when I got out of college, I came home and he was in the middle of a full-blown manic episode. He couldn’t help me make decisions about moving forward in life. Instead, I had to become the support person, with my mother to guide him through a full-blown, “Let’s avoid hospitals at all costs,” manic depressive episode.

His mother had severe depression. This was back in the time when they would literally dunk people in ice baths and hook them up to car batteries and shock them. It was very primitive stuff they were doing with psychology and psychiatry back then. That was my father’s mother. My father then hid it from us as I was a kid, depressive episodes. I never knew about it. He was a great guy but when I got out of college, he had this full-blown manic episode.

My mother and I had to circle the wagons and get him some treatment without him losing his high-level job and try to keep the family together. We did that. As I got into grad school, I started having all of these personal growth things and my own therapy, all this stuff that would come bubbling to the surface and go, “That’s why I’m in this. Because I’ve experienced at different levels in my family, mental health struggles.” One of the things that I always saw with my father was, we got lucky with him in his manic depression, because he responded well to meds.

He then didn’t have another episode for ten years. We got him through that. He then didn’t have another episode until another tragedy hit the family. He never did anything other than taking the medications. I saw, as his loving, devoted son, how much he could have benefited from doing a little internal work and understanding the traumas in his life. That’s been driving my passion for exploring things other than medication and simple answers. Not only staying in the conscious logical level of the mind, understanding the deep impact of trauma and the interpretations that we place on events and how that controls and creates our emotions. That’s what’s been driving my work over the years.

A lot of years ago, when I was in college, I started having experiences with people who were getting domestic violence situations evolving around them. I’ve long held a desire to help those people. What that leads to is trauma. I’ve spent a lot of years taking a lot of different trainings to help people resolve the effects of past trauma, which include the mind-body energy work, knowledge of the acupuncture and acupressure meridians, and different techniques. Some of them are biometrics and the idea of learning from our bodies. Being able to train ourselves to control things that we used to think were completely involuntary through meditation, visualization, etc.

I’d like to know more about biometrics.

It’s anything that even now on your smartphone, people are wearing an Apple watch these days, the newest Apple watches will take an electroencephalogram. They’ll take blood pressure readings. All of that is biofeedback only it’s accelerating because of technology. There are devices that people can wear. The HeartMath is a biometric thing. It gives us biofeedback about whether or not we’re in congruence and actually calm or we’re trying to think calm thoughts. The body itself is all twisted.

Using the body as a tool because we all know that in our body if you’re in there, you can tell what’s going on. If you’re tapped into your body. These are metrics that help.

The key to what you said is if you’re tapped into it. Most of us are trained to not be aware of it. These biofeedback devices and these biometric devices help us learn to reconnect to what’s happening in the physical energy system.

It’s important to be tapped into the body. Most people are trying to move away from it through various forms of diversion through food. It’s not cool to look inward and find out what’s going on. A lot of people avoid it at all costs. I found that it’s the way to get there to find insights.

The ancient wisdom says the only way out is through.

Do you find that in most mental health challenges that there’s trauma at the root of it?

With many people that come through my office.

Were there a lot of times that they’re not consciously aware of what the trauma was?

Not in the least. They’re experiencing symptoms that are directly related to their trauma and the ways they’ve coped with it without realizing it. If I’m not aware of that, if I can’t help them explore that, all I’m left with is trying to get rid of the symptoms without taking a look at the cause level.

Which is a lot of people in the current model do, they feel like they’re successful. At least with Journey’s case, a lot of the doctors felt like once he was educated about his illness and was taking his medication that they had succeeded. They were so busy, and then it was, “Next. Move on to the next patient.” For me, it was like, “We’re only touching the surface here. Now that he’s heads above water let’s dive in and see what is at the root of this divided thinking.” They would refer him to a therapist or whatever. A lot of times, in our current model there’s an idea of success is. You’ve mitigated the symptoms and now were successful, but people on medication will tell you something else. They want to feel better. They don’t only want to be symptom-free.

One of the people we know talks about this a lot. Managing symptoms is a lot like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It’s not helping anything at a cause level. It’s not going to keep the ship from sinking eventually. I have been pursuing trainings for a couple of decades or more now specifically related to helping people relieve and resolve the effects of past trauma. Gratefully, because of the yin and the yang of things, the more our mental health challenges have pushed insurance companies to separate from doctors and use managed care companies, the more it’s forced people to try and get more efficient with the techniques or the tools they use to help people. That has helped motivate people to get more effective, efficient and accessible tools.

People are in a hurry, too. People want to feel better quickly and this whole, “Chop, chop. Let’s get to feeling better.”

It’s not the people, it’s the culture. We’re culturally trained to that. Individually, it’s a relatively rare individual who says, “I’m ready to roll up my sleeves and get into this. Let’s get this done.”

Especially if it’s trauma because we’ve kept it suppressed. We’ve successfully kept it hidden. Sometimes it feels daunting to dig in and let it resurface.

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Past Trauma: If we can’t educate people to the fact that most of the back pain and neck pain that people experience is a result of mental and emotional trauma held in tissue, then we just keep sending them to doctors for pills, surgeries or physical therapies.


If you have people that don’t even understand that the majority of their physical pain and discomfort is directly related to their mental-emotional processing, then you’re starting at a tremendous disadvantage. If we can’t educate people on the fact that most of the back pain, neck pain, and knee pain that people experience as the result of mental-emotional trauma held in tissue. We then keep sending them to doctors for pain pills and surgeries or physical therapies.

It then manifests somewhere else in the body.

It keeps coming back or they have to stay on the pills and then get addicted. It’s because they haven’t learned anything about the root of it. There are people who have demonstrated this from the physical perspective, like Dr. John Sarno, who was a back surgeon. He wanted to find out what is the best part of what he does in back surgery. His research led him to the conclusion that there was nothing he did in back surgery that was responsible for the elimination and reduction of pain and restoration of motion.

That led him to search for, “Why all these people are in such pain?” He discovered or coined the term, Tension Myoneural Syndrome. What that means is, if I have mental-emotional tension and it gets stored in a pocket of tissue, whether it’s a muscle or the tendon. When that tension gets activated, it literally causes a spasm in the muscle. If it is close enough to certain blood vessels. It cuts off the flow of oxygen or blood because blood is oxygen-carried. Ten percent or less reduction in the oxygen flow to the tissue in this part of my shoulder is enough to initiate excruciating pain.

What was he doing if it’s not surgery?

No, because of what he learned as a good back surgeon. He had maybe a 30% to 35% success rate. If you count success as 100% elimination of pain, 100% restoration of motion, and no need for further surgery. That’s the big one. A lot of times, when they go do back surgery, they have elimination of pain and restoration of motion, but they tell him, “You’re going to have to come back in about 3 to 7 years. The scar tissue is going to build up. We’re going to have to clean it out again.” He quit doing all surgery and went to an educational model and a psychological model. His success rate went up way over 80% without ever doing surgery.

People can find out about that at AllTheRageDoc.com. There was a documentary that was done. It costs a little bit of money to watch that movie. You might be able to find it on YouTube but they did a documentary about his life. Fortunately, they got it finished before he died. He got to see it, too. He’s written books, the base of knowledge that he has about how to work with the Tension Myoneural Syndrome, relieve the inner tension, and then relieve the pain is available in his books and in that documentary.

It’s the root of what a lot of people do even if they’re not calling it that. When they’ve worked with trauma and help people become aware of the trauma, what the coping mechanisms their younger self developed to live through the trauma. That’s the process that’s holding that tension within me. That can get resonated when somebody gives me the look, or somebody almost cuts me off in traffic, or the person I’m madly in love with all of a sudden does something that in my mind that he or she should never do.

It triggers a whole host of things. Did you learn any of this in school?

No. As a matter of fact, one of the things I used to tell people is Kodachrome, the Paul Simon song, was one of my favorites because of all the stuff I learned in high school, it’s a wonder I can think at all.

Was it college too?

College and grad school, there was a lot of it that was there for me to get the stamp of approval from the school and then from the state licensing board. I can be then like the cookie-cutter of these other psychologists. The vast majority of what I learned that makes me good at what I do come from being raised by two wonderful parents in a loving family. I got lucky with some of the mentors that I was attracted to study with. The vast majority of things I do to help people are from what my parents taught me growing up and what the postgraduate study that I stumbled into. They’re usually atypical training. Fringe, originally.

Do you find that insurance companies pay for these fringy types of things sometimes?

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The biggest thing for me is that once you go through and you get the license and the degree, you can do in your therapy this talk therapy in a private practice setting. You can do a lot of the work and you’re billing for a therapy session on there. It’s not a specific technique. It’s not like a medical doctor, where I would have to lie and say, “I did a knee replacement but I only talked to them about their knee pain.” The insurance company will pay for therapy.

The insurance company won’t pay for a lot of things that help people when it looks at the entire mind-body energy system. We have integrative psychiatrists who know that their patients will be served better if they get a full blood and hair analysis. Find out what the gut biome is like and maybe get some specific supplements. The insurance company won’t pay for some of those tests and supplements, but the insurance company will pay if I want to write a script for medication, or if I want to slam them in a hospital for X number of days.

That’s where the biggest problem is. In terms of Psychology, I can do a lot of things that the traditional psychologist won’t do. I need to have a patient who’s interested in doing his or her own work in order for results to happen. There are times when I meet with people and I say, “Here’s the first thing I want to teach you. I want to teach you about your breath. I want to teach you to take a breath and hold for a few seconds and slow that exhale down. I want you to look at the EFT tapping, the free videos that are on YouTube.” They look at me like I’m crazy. They leave and never come back.

I don’t know why because they don’t come back and tell me why. The things I teach people in therapy are tools that are empowering them. If I’m empowered, I used to say, “I could go out and spend $150,000 on woodworking tools, wood and buy a warehouse to store it.” I’m then like $300,000 into this. I put that stuff in that warehouse and I come back two years later. How much furniture will I have? None because nobody’s picked up the tools and apply them to the wood.

That’s the thing. You can make an enormous difference in your life if you take control of your life. If you are exposed to the concept that most of what you feel physically and emotionally is a product of the misuse of your mind energy. It’s the way you’ve been conditioned to think by your family and the culture. It’s this cross-generational stuff that gets passed down. Once you learn about that, you can do something about it. Change doesn’t happen unless you apply the tools to do something about it.

Where would people find these tools? You’re one person and obviously, Journey’s Dream has a weekly podcast where a lot of innovative solutions have been discussed.

That’s the big question. That’s why you and some other people on Journey’s Dream say, “Let’s do a podcast. Let’s try and become a hub as a resource for people.” There are a lot of silos out there of really good stuff, like a silo standing in the field but those silos aren’t connected. People like SameHere Global and Journey’s Dream podcast are working to collect these resources and be a hub of information for people. The first thing I would suggest after a year of doing these weekly podcasts is to scroll back through the list of people we’ve interviewed for Journey’s Dream, On Your Mind podcast. I’m impressed. I’m blown away by some of the people who gave their time to talk about what they’re doing. They’re people that are integrative or functional medicine specialists, holistic practitioners or people who’ve been through their own mental health challenges.

Some of whom went on to become psychiatrists or PhD, doctorates and teach people. That’s where I’d begin. The next thing is if you start to learn some of these buzzwords like functional medicine or integrative medicine, try to make sure that the people you’re going to if you’re searching for a resource in your area, do more than put that in front of their name or after their name. I’ve had a couple of people who have told me, “I’m going to this chiropractor who says she’s a holistic chiropractor.” There is nothing holistic about it. It’s the same simple, what you would get from any other chiropractor.

People are looking for something specific. There are some wolves in sheep’s clothing, I would say. A few years ago, when I was looking for any one of these practitioners that we have interviewed on our podcast, I would have walked with relief to know that there was someone out there and that this isn’t a few short years. I couldn’t find some who would look at the whole body-mind connection. There were some who wanted to or attempted to, but it was all medication first. There were very few psychiatrists that I could find who had a different perspective at all. We’ve come a long way. I also like to caution. Be aware of what they’re doing and not just that they have the name.

One of the things I like to tell people when they go to look for a therapist or practitioner is, you need two things at a bare minimum to have therapy work. Someone that knows what he or she is doing and someone with whom you’re comfortable. When you go, make sure you’re interviewing that person. The other thing I wanted to say is that one of the things that’s made me much more effective in my own life to create positive change in my own life and share that with my clients and patients is blending ancient wisdom with modern technology and new knowledge about the gut biome and nutrition.

That’s part of what I’ve been donating my time to for the past few years. It’s to lead a support group to teach some of the most powerful, effective, efficient, and accessible tools I’ve ever learned. The word accessible is in there because these things are on the internet for free. For the past few years, we have been doing an internet show, which they now call a podcast. It was called blog talk radio internet show, 1 hour a day, 5 days a week to teach these tools. The archive of that is available.

Can you tell our readers how to access the support groups?

Dr. Michael Ryce and Jeanie Ryce maintain this enormous website at WhyAgain.org. One of the best ways to get access to the two support groups that I lead teaching the tools that I learned from Dr. Michael Ryce integrated with my tools as a psychologist, that website is Mindshifters-Academy.org. There’s a separate page on there for the Tuesday support group for information on a Thursday. If you have an internet connection and you’re available from 6:30 PM to 9:00 PM Central time, you can go on there and join us live.

If a person’s new, I know some people would be intimidated to join a support group on Zoom. Could people show up and learn if they don’t know anything about it?

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Past Trauma: If you are exposed to the concept that most of what you feel physically and emotionally is a product of the misuse of the mind energy, you can do something about it. Change doesn’t happen unless you apply the tools to do something.


Absolutely. We have people that show up and they don’t even have their video on. They don’t talk but they can listen. It’s what we do in that group and it ebbs and flows. Sometimes there are 2 or 3 people in it, sometimes there are twelve. We talk a little bit about, “How’s everybody doing this week? Does somebody have something they want to do some personal work on right now?” If not, then we watch or listen to an hour of one of our favorite teachers that talk about the fundamental principles that guide all this work. We then have time to do the worksheet process or there’s a whole series of other tools that Michael and Jeannie Ryce offer.

Our job is donating our time to that and to make these tools available. People have changed their lives by learning and then applying these tools to their lives. There’s then the internet show, and that’s available five days a week from 11:00 to 1:00 Central time. The best way to get that is through the WhyAgain.org website. Click on the picture of the microphone. It takes you right to the blog talk radio site and the other thing that’s available. There is an archive of the last ten plus years of shows. Some of them have been curated out to say these are the powerful ones where people have actually used this tool or asked a powerful question.

The archives are fascinating and I like that there’s a little clip about them so people can go back and listen about something, about their own questions that they may have. I listen on my phone though. I dial in on my phone. There’s a phone number too that you can dial if you go to WhyAgain.org.

The number is (563) 999-3581.

You can then be a listener or you can also push a button to raise your hand if you have a question. That’s another way to access the tools. I’m appreciative of you, Dr. Ryce and Jeanie for providing this information. It’s valuable and it changed my life. I’ve gone through a lot. I’ve had experienced a lot of loss, and what a lot of parents would say would be the worst possible nightmare to endure is losing a child through suicide. I can only think, knowing the tools that I know.

I decided I was going to be better and not bitter. When I decided that, I had a whole toolset. I started slowly but surely. You said something about the breath earlier, how people will leave and not come back. Sometimes the tools are simple. I’m personally like, “I read it all the time.” There’s a way to breathe, there’s connecting your breath or simple tools that people might look at and say, “That can’t work,” but they do if we just apply them. I’m very grateful.

I’ve actually had more than one person come in, learn the simple breathing technique that I teach to stimulate the parasympathetic or the relaxed part of their nervous system. They come back a week or two later furious at their doctor. Why are you mad at the doctor? “Because he didn’t tell me about this breathing. He gave me these pills. I haven’t had to take one of these pills in three weeks now because all I had to do is breathe differently.” Not everybody will get that result but that does happen. For some people, 1 or 2 tools, tweaking what they’re doing with their body or what they’re doing with their mind in conjunction with the body is life-changing.

If you could change one thing about the current mental health model, what would it be? If you could add something to the curriculum in the schools that new doctors are learning, what would you change?

There are way too many things to add to the curriculum, because the curriculum is specifically focused on the physical, treating the physical body as though it’s a solid thing.

Even though you are thinking about mental health.

Yeah. One of the things that I would change in the mental health system is to introduce, as mandatory, the knowledge that what you do with your thoughts is directly connected to the emotions you experience. The emotions you experience are good information, they’re not good or bad. There’s a navigation system within the person that if he or she can learn to slow down and listen to, instead of trying to get rid of the signals that come from that system, because, “I have a stiff neck. I don’t like a stiff neck. Give me a pill. Let me go to the massage therapist and get rid of it.” Rather than understanding, “Something’s going on here.” One of my favorite success stories was a woman who came to see me and she was literally talking about seeing a back surgeon have her spine fused because she was in so much pain.

She knew me. I wasn’t a stranger to her. I said, “Before we move on to talk about anything else, you might want to consider that there’s an emotional component to your back pain.” She looked at me like I was crazy, and shifted the topic to talk about the problem that was going on with her cat. Within minutes of talking about it, she was in tears. She was sobbing and I said to her, “Take a breath. Scan your body. Notice how old you feel as you’re talking about this.” She went right to ten years old. I said, “Think about what might have been going on when you were ten that would have you this upset.”

She said she got the image of being outside of her garage. Her very abusive stepfather was in the garage torturing her dogs and she had to stand there and listen. It was 95 degrees outside. She was sobbing and crying. I’m doing the EFT tapping. I do that with a lot of people. I’m tapping on my face and my body as she’s telling the story because she was so agitated. I encouraged her to tap along. She might have tapped on two or three points. I sat there tapping on my body. She reached for a Kleenex and went, “Huh.” I said, “What’s the matter?” She says, “There’s no back pain.”

The trauma of what happened when she was ten was getting triggered because, in the current situation, she was considering going on a vacation where she would have to leave her cat to be supervised by somebody else. Her cats are like her children and it was all connected. It resonated to the surface, and it was stuck in her low back. She sent me messages over the next few months regularly and the back pain didn’t come back if we could educate people about what Dr. Sarno found out. If we could educate people that when I have trauma in my childhood. If we could educate the doctors to see if somebody comes in the door and they’re obese or they’re rail-thin with anorexia, there’s probably trauma at the root of that. There’s an adaptation to past trauma that looks like this disease or that disease. That’s the primary thing that I would say and if you could change one thing about the mental health system, that would be it.

That’d be world-changing. That would change a lot. There’s a lot of trauma even now, specifically, with what’s going on in our world. If there’s a young person, a child who experiences a traumatic event, what can parents do at that moment so that it doesn’t get stuck in their bodies? The child then grows up to be an adult who has chronic pain. Is there a quick answer for that?

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The quick answer I would have is that EFT tapping, it’s the Emotional Freedom Technique tapping. It’s out there. A lot of it is out there free. Brad Yates on YouTube has a lot of good videos you can tap along with. If you search for EFT tapping for children, there’s a children’s book. There’s a children’s song. There are ways that you can look at teaching this to a child, even at three and four years old. I’ve actually had a family they came in. The dad said, “I got to tell you what happened right before I came here. That is a three and a six-year-old.”

I had several sessions with the dad. He said, “We were at dinner. The six-year-old is getting upset because he doesn’t want to eat something on his plate. The three-year-old looks at him and says, ‘You better start tapping.’” As young as three, you can make the connection between, “When I’m upset here’s something I can do to help it.” There are some wonderful resources available on Dr. Michael Ryce’s website for children. I have some families where the children will have this, “Who am I? I am love. I think clearly. I act responsibly.”

This is a thing that you can print out free off of their website and then put it in a kid’s room. If the kid gets upset, agitated, scared, hurt, or sad, and they’ve learned the EFT tapping, they can go into their room with or without the parent. Read what’s on this paper and do their tapping or their finger rubbing and feel better. We’re then empowering the children to pay attention to what’s going on inside of them. Giving them ways to understand it, and then tools to work with it.

I have somebody who’s graduated college and she’s out on her own. Her mother first brought her to see me when she was in grade school and started learning the EFT tapping. Imagine if somebody has been for fifteen years introduced to these tools and they started when they were 6 or 7 years old, imagine the skills. Until there are some serious life events going on for this person, it’s not like she never needs a consult but I know it’s going to be one or two touch point sessions and give her a little focus to use the tools that she already knows and uses. She’s going to be flying free again.

Is there anything that we haven’t touched on that you would like our readers to know?

I should say that the kinds of things that patients and clients might want to look for, along with the idea of integrative practitioner, functional medicine practitioner or holistic practitioner, the kinds of techniques that are valuable for trauma are things called EMDR, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. The somatic therapy approach. We did an interview with one of the women who pioneered that out of Colorado.

The EFT tapping, which is an empowering tool that if you use it in the context of somebody who knows about the formation of trauma and the resolution of trauma, is a powerful tool for that. The idea of the Neuro-Emotional Technique, anything that uses knowledge of the acupuncture meridians and blends that with knowledge of the way we use our thoughts and blend our emotions. Peter Levine‘s and Gabor Maté’s work. There are some wonderful things out there, like Bessel van der Kolk.

If you go to a therapist and say, do you know Bessel Van Der Kolk’s work for trauma or Peter Levine’s work for trauma? If they say, “No.” You then say, “Can you get educated about that or do you know a therapist that does that work, whether it’s somatic-based trauma work or the EMDR technique?” When you hook up with somebody who’s got that overarching understanding of trauma and trained with tools to help people resolve it, resolution can happen. Depending upon how long the trauma has been going on. If it was like a one-shot trauma, the resolution can happen in 1 to 5 or 8 sessions. If this is childhood trauma or somebody who was raised in a war zone, it might take quite a bit longer, but it can be resolved far more quickly than most people understand.

Thank you, Dr. Tim. I appreciate everything you do for humanity.

Humanity is a big group. Can we stick with what we do for Journey’s Dream?

Michael Ryce, one of his missions is to reach every mind, heart and being on the planet.

Hopefully, we’re contributing a little bit to that.

One person at a time. We appreciate you, Tim.

I appreciate you, too. Thank you for all you do in Journey’s Dream and I look forward to the next time we get to talk.

I will, too. Take care.

Timothy J. Hayes is a licensed clinical psychologist in private practice in Crystal Lake, Illinois with over 47 years of successful experience doing therapy with individuals and families. Dr. Hayes integrates mind, body and energy techniques into a client-friendly model. Dr. Hayes has become known for his success in assisting patients as they resolve the effect of post-traumatic stress disorder. He has helped hundreds of individuals, including veterans and their families resolve the effects of severe trauma, whether a recent occurrence or one in the distant past. Dr. Hayes has co-hosted an internet radio show for over ten years, 1 hour a day, 5 days a week, teaching and supporting people in using some of the most powerful, effective, efficient, and accessible tools he has learned in his career. In addition to his role as a therapist, Dr. Hayes speaks professionally on a wide variety of topics related to mental health, relationships, parenting and the mind-body connection.

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Timothy J. Hayes, Psy.D., is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist in private practice in Crystal Lake, Illinois. With forty-seven years of successful experience doing therapy with individuals and families, Dr. Hayes integrates mind/body energy techniques into a client-friendly model.
Dr. Hayes has become known for his successes in assisting patients as they resolve the effects of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). He has helped hundreds of individuals, including veterans and their families resolve the effects of severe trauma, whether a recent occurrence or one in the distant past.
Dr. Hayes has co-hosted an internet radio show for over ten years, one hour a day, five days/week, teaching and supporting people in using some of the most powerful, effective, efficient, and accessible tools he has learned in his career.
In addition to his role as a therapist, Dr. Hayes speaks professionally on a wide variety of topics related to mental health, relationships, parenting, and the mind/body connection.


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