On Your Mind | Ardeshir Mehran | Depression

 

The transformative book, You Are Not Depressed, You Are Un-Finished, challenges the status quo by debunking the myth of depression as an unchangeable mood disorder. The brains behind this seminal work belong to Dr. Ardeshir Mehran, a trailblazer in the realm of mental health. With a rich background in psychology, behavioral research, and transformational leadership, Dr. Mehran brings over 30 years of experience to the table. In this conversation, we delve into Dr. Mehran’s journey, from his academic achievements at Columbia University to his impactful roles in corporate leadership. Discover how he disrupts traditional mental health approaches, offering more effective practices to heal depression and alleviate emotional suffering globally. Dr. Mehran redefines emotional struggles as consequences, not causes, and illuminate how they can serve as a powerful nudge for awakening and reclaiming our emotional rights. Tune in to learn how to analyze your emotions and body, pivoting from symptom management to living a more fulfilled life. Dr. Mehran guides us through the essence of his book, emphasizing that depression and anxiety are signals urging us to reclaim our emotional lives. Tune in!

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Ardeshir Mehran, Ph.D. Author Of You Are Not Depressed – You Are Un-Finished

Our next guest is Dr. Ardeshir Mehran. His book title is You Are Not Depressed, You Are Unfinished: Use Feelings of Depression and Anxiety to Fuel a Soaring Life. He is disrupting the mental health field, delivering more effective practices to heal depression and ease the emotional suffering of people across the world. Everyone else portrays depression as an immovable cause, a mood disorder that must be treated. Dr. Mehran busts this myth and focuses attention on the real culprit, the unfulfilled life we must lead when we deny our birthrights.

He is a developer of the Bill of Emotional Rights based on many years of research, coaching, and clinical work. He is a psychologist, behavioral researcher, transformational leader, and leadership coach. He has a PhD and a Master’s in Education and Counseling Organization and Research Psychology from Columbia University, New York City. He has served in leadership roles in corporations and consulting firms.

Dr. Mehran, thank you so much for joining us here. It’s a delight to see you.

Thank you, Tim. I’m happy to be with you and with your guests.

I’m hoping you could tell us about what motivated you to write a book like this and get deep into this field.

My book is You Are Not Depressed, You Are Unfinished. I didn’t know I was writing a book. I was on a quest of a lifetime. I was trying to heal my mother. Growing up, I would see her eyes and my dad’s eyes, but mainly my mother’s. She was there, but she wasn’t there. I knew that she was struggling and suffering, and I didn’t know what it was.

On Your Mind | Ardeshir Mehran | Depression

You Are Not Depressed. You Are Un-Finished.: Use Feelings of Depression and Anxiety to Fuel a Soaring Life.

It is a family of six kids. I was close to her. I was her confidant. I was thinking, “Mom is hurting.” Initially, I wanted to become a farmer and go into agriculture. My aunt said, “Go to psychology.” I was a good student and top of the class. I went to Columbia and the United States. I’m an immigrant from Iran. I’m a triple major in my doctorate. I have four Masters and a lot of certifications.

I was trying to understand why people get ill emotionally and why the healing process takes a long time. As a graduate student, we were told you will have the patient. They will see you weeks after weeks, months, and years. I was thinking, “That’s nonsense. That doesn’t make sense to me. We are not solving the right thing.” I was trying to understand, “How do I heal me? How do I heal my mother? How do I hurt less?”

I started to pay attention. I learned all theory and science, and I was a good practitioner. I put it aside and observe my patients. When they tell their stories, how do they tell their stories? What are their bodies telling? They cry. They hear their breathing. A couple of times, people would vomit in the middle of the therapy sessions. Why is that? The aches they are having in different parts of their body, I kept seeing that. They are telling a different story than what you’re engaged in verbal conversations. I was noticing the same thing in me.

I start to take notes. I’m a researcher by nature, a behavioral researcher, and I saw the following across the years, gender, ethnicity, lifestyle, and wealth. When people are struggling, more or less, they tell the same story in different languages. I was like, “Tell me more.” I noticed they are telling the story with a certain structure that gradually became the bill of emotional rights. When we are emotionally ill and stuck, there are consistent emotional patterns that have been violated and never fully developed. Nobody told us about it. We sought to go home to finish the job and we were not allowed to do that.

This journey, even though the book came out in 2023, took me several months to put it in writing. I’ve been writing it for many years, notes here and there. It’s about how we are designed to heal better and faster. We don’t need long-term therapy if you go to the source and our original design and restore what didn’t get fully shaped.

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Name those emotional bills of rights.

The reason I call them rights is they are as elemental as our constitution. We hold these truths to be self-evidence. Parents, teachers, and partners don’t give it to us. There’s a pattern. The rights are started like this. It’s a right of belonging. There’s a love in my connection. I’m love, love received, love given back. It doesn’t mean it’s nirvana, but there’s a sense of connection of heart. This happens right at birth with the early attachment, the quality, and the right attachment of bond that becomes to this world.

In my corporate world, I see that in the room of people who love them. In a family, everybody around them is deeply isolated. There’s a sense of isolation that many of us that we have. That’s a pandemic of isolation. The first right is a sense of, “I belong.” The next right that comes right after that is a sense of, “I am boundless.” It is our understanding of our bodies. In modern science, where there’s a distinction of mind, body, and spirit, that’s a byproduct of René Descartes.

Throughout history, we are one being. We feel our feelings through our bodies. The brain doesn’t feel anything. The brain can label it. It is about being in touch with our bodies, a sense of expression of our being, and enjoying our body being in touch. I’ve worked in a corporate environment. The body is a mass that we don’t understand. We say, “My heart hurts. My gut is tight.” They’re telling you something. Your shoulder pain and shooting pain in the neck means something. We are not taught to understand our body and use that as a sense of expression. That’s boundless.

The next need is, “I am complete.” For a long time, it was my story. We live in our past, shame and guilt, “I’m not finished.” What we haven’t been learning, but now the modern science of trauma and the pain clinics bring up to us is that we live in the moment. Our body and nervous system have no memory. It’s our brain that’s continuously going, trying to see the views and the images of the past. We are designed to be in the moment and to finish the work we never got to finish. It’s about being in the power of presence. Our healing happens here and now as we are coming out of the shame and guilt.

The next right is, “I matter.” This is fundamental. All of us are in the company of others. There are many invisible people. I was in corporate. I would see people come into the conference room in the town halls. Nobody sees them. They come in quietly, sit in the back, and they leave. Nobody calls them by name. Nobody asks their opinion. We think it’s okay. It is not. We basically become invisible after a while to ourselves, and we feel we don’t matter. There’s a term I use, “No decision about you without you.” You have a voice being asked. That’s how we treat our children. Are they seen as part of the table in family decision-making?

The next need is, “I make.” Everybody on this earth is doing something. Some people are on the farms, some people are in the boardroom, some people are in finance, and some people are in the military. We are all doing something. Is that your thing? For many years, I was doing the work successfully. I make a good deal of money. It was not my work. I was numbing myself.

We know from Gallup research that year after year, up to 70% of workers have lower engagement scores. That’s not okay because, from Gallup research, we know in those groups with lower engagements, there are higher rates of depression and anxiety. Part of that is the environment and what we do going to the step about, “What is it you’re supposed to do in life?”

The next need is the need for, “I am.” Everybody has a conviction, a story, and a belief. It doesn’t mean it’s the best idea. What is your idea? Do you know it? Do you share it? Do you defend it? Do you express it? Men and women express this differently. I see many women. Their voice becomes subtle. They become like a little girl trying to please others, be heard, and be nice. With men, they overshoot, and they become boisterous. They’re like, “This is what I believe.” It’s about telling your conviction. It is your soul message and the voice of the inner core. Once you do that, your backbone feels as strong versus being dismissive.

The final one is a need that we become aware of. It is the need for, “I soar.” Behind me, there’s a flip chart by Maya Angelou, and I have it all over my desk. “There’s no greater agony than burying an untold story inside you.” Everybody has a story. Eight billion people, eight billion stories. We are all here on this earth at this time to do things that only you can do. That is empowering. It’s yours to find and step toward that.

It doesn’t mean things will be jolly and happy once you know it. You still have a lot of hard work to do, but you feel complete that your being matters at this time. With those seven needs, we are meant to experience them all through our lifetime. At each point in life, usually, about 2 or 3 are more active. There’s more energy around them. As you’re reading, reflect on which of those seven needs excites you and mystifies you like your Northern Light calls you. That indicates the work you want to do to further develop yourself. There’s a need that brings sorrow and regret. You feel that there are things lagging behind and you haven’t done enough work to fulfill that. That’s the opportunity. Usually, there’s a need that brings stability. Some foundation makes you feel strong.

In my life, I soar. It brings me so much joy and energy. This is my work. I need to bring this message to the world so people don’t suffer that much. That motivates me. The part that gives me the angst is, “I make.” It’s a new business model for me. It’s a new way of therapy. I’m experimenting, learning, marketing, billing, and client development, but you get over it and figure it out. Other people have. Do the work. The one that gives me stability is, “I belong.” It is my wife, my son, my golden retriever, and my friend. It wasn’t like this, but whenever in doubt, I go there to nurture myself and feel stable.

One of the things I like about the book is that at each level, you invite people as they’re reading to take a breath, get centered, and notice the physical, and emotional or intuitional experience of what they read or what you’re directing them towards. I get a sense by reading the book and the different people you talked about working within your therapy that you use many of the somatic therapeutic approaches. We know how powerful that is.

I want to start to relate to the energy that happens below the neck, as though it’s good information, not to label it as right or wrong, good or bad, but to see it as a feedback system. That’s one of the things I appreciate, especially the examples you give of working with some people in sessions, and you’ve outlined how some of those exercises help them get in touch or get centered. Can you talk a little bit about your favorite exercises?

I was trained as a clinician, and I was well respected. My advisor liked me and kept saying, “You’re doing great work.” Deep down, I felt I was not doing great work. I don’t feel I’m making a difference. I left the therapy and went to a corporate environment to be a corporate exec, which I became. I was disillusioned. Inside a company, executives will come to me. It was under the rubric of leadership coaching. I was doing therapy. I’d given up on therapy because I felt it was a verbal conversation through understanding cognitive, “Tell me about you. What are you seeing?” and so on.

I don’t know how it happened, but I came upon the work of Dr. Peter Levine, with which I later trained with him. He is the Father of Somatic Experiencing Therapy, which is about what happens to our bodies. There’s a whole science of trauma that came from Veteran Affairs Hospital working with soldiers with PTSD. We learned so much about the body. We are one being, head to toe, that we experience the world and almost our emotions, including thinking with our entire body. When I read that, it was almost a missing link for me.

I read the book The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk. I’ve been pouring myself and reading about the whole field of somatic science. What we learned is that the body operates a lot faster than the brain. When patients come to me these days compared to several years ago, the first thing I do is help them ground themselves. Ground themselves is an electrical term that, as a human being, you’re always grounded.

Compared to the past, when somebody comes to me, they’re anxious, angry, and frustrated. This is the brain talking. I invite your whole being into the session. I don’t ask them, “How do you feel?” I do an exercise, and I ask them, “What’s coming up for you? What are you sensing? What is the exercise?” It has three layers. One is that I invite them to do breathing exercises. All I do is notice breathing, how breathing starts, how long it continues, the movement of your lungs and the rhythm of your heart, the synchronicity of your heart and lungs, and the five senses. What I’m doing is I’m inviting them to be in here and now. As we do these, anxiety drops.

The next thing is visualization about how you are connected to somebody who loves you. It’s somebody from the past or present. It could be real or imaginary. It could be your pet. The third one is that you have a sense of agency. In this hour, we are together. Anything you want to do, I invite you to do that like if you want to sit or you want to lie down on the floor. My clients do that. If you want to paint the room or do whatever you want to do, I invite you to do that so you feel you have control. Those are presence, connection, and agency.

Once we do that, neurologically speaking, we become whole. I ask them, “What’s coming up for you?” You then realize people talk about chest pain, stomach-churning, memories, and flashbacks. We work with those. I don’t start about what happened yesterday and so on. Whatever comes to you at this moment, that’s the wisdom. We start now, go back, understand the past, and come back again to the here and now.

I’ve seen this over and over. People have significant release and catharsis. Suddenly, people breathe differently. You can see people’s pupils open up, their faces open up, the wrinkles loosen up, and they say, “My back is hurting. I didn’t know my back was hurting.” People come alive in physical experiences. In those moments, compared to the past therapy, I was quiet. I keep this space for the person to do the work because they’re going through the journey of excavation and work with what comes up.

What I’m doing for them is I’m operating as an atoned witness. This is a term coming from Dr. Levine. For us to heal, we need to tell our story as it comes up. With all the angst and pain, tell our story. Our story needs to be heard. Without interpretation and curiosity, be heard and reflect back that I heard you, “I’ve got your back. I understand you.” Work with whatever the person declined to work to release and work through.

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The critical part of that is that you start with body awareness. You’re telling the story of what’s coming up. You’re not spinning with rationalizations about the past or the future. Because it’s grounded in this visceral physical awareness, the story is more relevant. You get more of a shift when you have that attuned listening happening because it’s a story about the whole person, not just the stuff programmed into their mind.

What happens is you see people start to connect and stitch together stories, memories, and bodies because the ultimate goal of healing is wholeness and integration. People remember, “My mom was like that. This is how I am raising my daughter. There’s a reason my stomach keeps tightening up when it got to the situation.” They start to see and notice themselves in different parts of the story. How did it end up here? Their body is telling a story. Their memory suddenly shows up as it needs to be.

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Depression: The ultimate goal of healing is wholeness and integration.

 

When I see that, it’s my own healing that was delayed for so long because, over the years, I’ve been to seven wonderful psychologists and psychiatrists. I took the medication, but I felt they were focused on my symptoms by missing me. I wish somebody like this existed for me. When I was in my twenties, it was the first time I went to therapy. I would’ve been on a different life trajectory, but I had to learn this firsthand and bring it to people.

If you had a time machine, that’d be great. You can go back and do that. The other way to look at it is because you went through what you went through, you have something to offer that wasn’t there before. One of the things I enjoyed in the book is the different views you gave us of people who came in as intelligent and successful in different ways in their lives and were still dissatisfied or stuck.

When you go through this process, and you have them attuned to help them, they tune into their whole self more. The image I got was of the little creek that’s been dammed up so it forms this lagoon behind it. There’s nothing but a trickle coming down from the lagoon. If you get rid of the dam, this thing flows and it winds. It’s got a whole different path for people’s lives that has come from a lot of your therapy sessions.

I love what you mentioned. We go through life. I get to see somebody that hasn’t experienced this. We all get compromised. We end up with the words we use, the parents, the boss, and the experiences we had. We end up operating in a certain way that we constrain ourselves. Many people go through their lifetime. My mom and dad have passed away. They didn’t fully experience what it means to be emotionally free. Many people can turn it around once they realize they are blocked and compromised emotions, body, and how they interpret the world. When pain builds up, that’s the opportunity for healing versus numbing ourselves like drinking and distraction. That’s the dam that builds up. What do we do with that? That’s a life gift for us.

One doctor says, “The purpose of pain is to make our ears grow.” We listen more. If you’ve been able to separate yourself from the allopathic medical model that says, “If you’ve got a pain, you should squash it,” you go back to the old style that said, “If you’ve got a pain, listen to it. There’s information and direction there.” You start to make changes at a level that is loosening the whole thing and getting the flow going.

I remember Dr. Mark Hyman talking about how we know what it takes for a human being to live a happy, healthy, and fulfilled life. It’s not rocket science. It’s not just clean water, clean food, and good rest. It’s a sense of purpose, connection, community, and love. These are the things that you get in your Bill of Rights.

I have mentioned this to a number of folks. If you go and do a Google search about what it means to be emotionally ill, the literature is vast for all mental illnesses and ailments the American Psychiatric Association will come up with. The list is endless. Do another search. What does it mean to be healthy? You will see Abraham Maslow’s about the hierarchy of needs. You will see Viktor Frankl about the search for meaning. You will see fragments of what the children want, what the elderly want, and what professionals want. Nobody has been curious to put this together.

The work that I do is compiling what existed in mankind. I went to Greek philosophers, and we all know this exists. These are not willy-nilly. I’d like to do this, yes or no. This is the essence of humans. We can raise a family like that. This is what children, parents, partners, classmates, and coworkers need. Being more intentional about what it means to have a fulfilled life.

I talk about the opposite of depression, which is not happiness. It’s fulfillment. When we live in fulfillment, which is not believing in castles, we still have a lot of work to do, but we’re purposeful and driven. You get things done, and you see depression shifts. Depression says you are living an unfulfilled life, and you know it. Depression is your wrong signal. Your soul signals to you. That’s why it hurts so much.

On Your Mind | Ardeshir Mehran | Depression

Depression: Depression basically says you are living on fulfilled life. It is your own soul’s signal to you. That’s why it hurts so much.

 

One of the messages I hope more people will get from books like yours is that rather than have something occur in your life that you don’t like and go to a professional, have them label it a symptom and give you some, whether it’s a talk therapy solution or a medication to get rid of the symptom that is out of alignment with you as a whole person. It can’t bring you any lasting relief. If you understand that the pain, the discomfort, or the dissatisfaction is the symptom and there’s an underlying cause, if you get at it and make some fundamental shifts, your life can be transformed. Usually, it is transformed for the better.

I want to be honest. I get emails and direct messages from social media. I’m active on LinkedIn. Every week, the texts come to me, either they’re from psychologists or psychiatrists. They say, “You don’t know what you’re talking about. Depression is an illness that needs X, Y, and Z treatment and this medication.” I don’t get into dose conversation. I thank them and tell them, “You have your data. I have my data. I let history be the judge.”

That’s the reason we see many people struggle with depression. It has almost become a fact of life for us. We keep trying to solve and address the symptoms versus if you need to go upstream about how that person ended up here. If you open our lenses, what is their body telling them? What narrative of life do they have? Depression is data and information. The story of depression shows you how you can come out of it. I welcome those pushbacks because, by nature, I’m a science geek. We need to figure this out. We’ve, as a society and mankind, suffered enough.

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You can direct those people to books like Robert Whitaker’s Anatomy of An Epidemic. Mad In America was another book he wrote. The science is there that says the medications they give people for these issues were only ever intended as a short-term stopgap to prevent the crisis. The longer people are on them, the more problems accumulate.

Dr. Jodie Skillicorn was a young psychiatrist. She came out all eager. She’s gotten her education, passed her tests, and is ready to go. She’s got her list of symptoms and meds. She’s ready to start prescribing. Somebody gave her the Anatomy of An Epidemic. She read the book and said, “They didn’t teach me any of this in medical school. I can’t practice like that. That would be malpractice.” She had to go educate herself about what you can do to help people with these mental and emotional patterns. She ended up writing the book Healing Depression Without Medication.

On Your Mind | Ardeshir Mehran | Depression

Healing Depression without Medication: A Psychiatrist’s Guide to Balancing Mind, Body, and Soul

A colleague of mine was a successful executive coach and professional leader. She called me, and she said, “I’m going to graduate school as a clinical psychologist. I love the field.” She’s been tracking my work. She’s like, “I want to go become a therapist.” I shared with her, “Great, you do that. Make sure the program you go to offers somatic science because most of the psychology training these days is still about the mind, behavior, and personality traits. The whole somatic science is more or less a parallel process in the current field of psychiatry and psychology that they haven’t intersected. I suggest that you take courses.” I give her a list of courses and experts to go and do an apprenticeship with.

It suggests that they look into coherence therapy.

Can you say more about coherence therapy?

Coherence therapy used to be called depth-oriented brief therapy. Bruce Ecker and his wife, Laurel Hulley, started to question what goes on when they have a session with somebody and there’s a deep, quick shift that lasts. They started to analyze the transcripts with a critical eye on the process more than the content. They discovered that if you have a deep experiential shift, somatic-based experiential, let it come up, visualize this or that, rather than talk about something. That was one of the key things that had to happen.

They also discovered that every time that shift happened, they had moved away from the anti-symptom position. The anti-symptom position says, “Doctor, I keep raging at my boss and getting fired. Can you help me stop raging at my boss?” The pro-symptom position says, “Let’s figure out why some part of you feels desperate, urgently, the need to rage at your boss. Once we discover what that is and help you see it, one of two things happens. It’s either instantly you quit raging at your boss because you find another way to meet that need, or you realize, ‘Raging at my boss is the only way I get out of this abusive job environment, and it’s a good thing. I want to do that when I’m in an abusive situation.”

The essence of the coherence therapy model is as long as you understand that whatever a person does, they’ve got good reasons for doing at some level of consciousness. It’s unconscious. Every time it gets resonated, it seems to drive them as though they’re out of control. If there’s a conscious awareness of what that dynamic is, it’ll drop away, and you’ll find a different, more productive way to meet that need, or you’ll say, “I’m going to redefine this as a good self-protective mechanism.”

Within that model, you can do EMDR, EFT tapping, neuro-emotional technique, bioenergetic synchronization technique, and internal family systems work. You should be doing all the somatic therapy work. I look at coherence therapy as this overarching model that says, “Instead of trying to chase symptoms, help people discover within themselves what the root causes are at this unconscious emotionally implicit knowing level.”

What they’ve learned is that when they usher people into that awareness, they trigger memory reconsolidation, which they used to believe couldn’t happen. Our scientists, psychologists, and psychiatrists used to think once you had a trauma, you’re traumatized. You always have that memory. It always means what it means.

What they’ve learned is there’s a window. If you can get yourself to open up memory at that experiential level, you open up a window during which, if you work with it the proper way, there’s a 4 or 5-hour space where you can rewrite the meaning, and the neural pathways can change. That’s where these transformations happen.

I love the resources you mentioned. I will review them. I would love it when people do disruptive thinking. One of the ways that I see myself being in service, even on LinkedIn, is that once a month, I put in a post about ten things you need to do, ten topics, or ten experts. I’m going to read these books. Some of them the first time I’m hearing. I say, “You need to know these books.” I bring this for the general audience to know this. I love that. Thank you. It was a gift to me.

You’re quite welcome. Your book is a gift to me. I hope that it reaches a good wide audience of people and that some people start to question for themselves as you encourage them to do throughout the book. Which of these emotional rights resonate with you as being solid and resonate with you as needing work? Which ones might be shored up a little bit? It’s a useful way to look at things. I’m glad to have it as a resource.

As people read the book and the chapters, I talk about what each right means. What is the science behind this? I stumbled upon some of them by observing my clients and patients. What we know from the literature is there’s a short scale about where you are from, a need being fulfilled and unfulfilled. For each right, I’ve put together a Spotify playlist. All you have to do is scan it with your Spotify. There are ten songs.

Once you notice rights, t almost everybody in your orbit, when they talk about events, distractions, affection, conflict, and they are expressing those rights, fulfilled, unfulfilled, or their needs or their interpretation. You see those needs. They’re all over us. We’ve been swinging in them. The singers and the musicians. You see the paintings.

Once you know that, you are in a conversation with somebody in your life. You know they’re wavelengths. This person wants to express themselves. This person is talking about the I am. They are lonely and isolated. It makes you attuned to that person. The conversation becomes more intimate, honest, and real here and now. I use this in my own development and growth as a father, spouse, and neighbor. I hope centers use this for their own betterment wherever you are.

It reminds me of neurolinguistic programming, the way to listen to words and patterns that people express. You tune into their key ways of interacting with the world. You’ve mentioned two things that I liked about the book. One of them is all of the different citations you have for the science and the research that’s been done in each of the areas of your seven Bill of Rights.

The other one is the music list you put together. That’s a tremendous amount of work. I hope people avail themselves of that and find value in it. Let me ask you to clear your mind for a minute, take a breath, get centered, and think about the things we’ve already talked about, which ones you want to go back and highlight, or something we haven’t even touched on yet from this uh book of yours.

There are two things that keep coming to mind. There are two rights I see as fundamental based on the society we live in. One is the one I belong to. It is the sense of connection. The first part is connecting to yourself. Me connecting to me and my life story. My grace might be in here because that allows me to connect to others around me.

The other one is the emotional need of I am. Everybody has a story. Your story is liberating and powerful. Your story needs to be heard. The first listener is you. Are you telling your story? Are your ears hearing you indicating what you believe in? It’s your preference. It’s what you want from the world and the people around you. Those two needs are important, especially in the era and the communities we are in. I invite people to start from there, with the connections you have, and you are claiming your voice in your life as you are now.

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I join you in extending that invitation to people. I thank you for taking the time to share with us. How do you prefer people to connect with you and contact you?

In a search, you go online to my website. I’ve put enough information. People can download it. You can read about the Bill of Rights. You can see my podcasts and my blogs, in which I talk about what trauma is and different ways for people to advance their own self-healing you can. My email is right there. Contact me. I’m a scholar. I have a book, but I’m here trying to shift the way we talk about mental health and mental illness.

What’s the website?

It’s ArdeshirMehran.com

That’ll be in the notes when we do this. Thank you so much. It’s a delight reading your book and meeting you in person. Thank you for the work you do.

Thank you so much, Tim. It’s the best of everything to the readers.

Our next guest is Dr. Ardeshir Mehran. His book title is You Are Not Depressed, You Are Unfinished: Use Feelings of Depression and Anxiety to Fuel a Soaring Life. He is disrupting the mental health field, delivering more effective practices to heal depression and ease the emotional suffering of people across the world. Everyone else portrays depression as an immovable cause, a mood disorder that must be treated. Dr. Mehran busts this myth and focuses attention on the real culprit, the unfulfilled life we must lead when we deny our birthrights.

He is a developer of the Bill of Emotional Rights based on many years of research, coaching, and clinical work. He is a psychologist, behavioral researcher, transformational leader, and leadership coach. He has a PhD and a Master’s in Education and Counseling organization and Research Psychology from Columbia University, New York City. He has served in leadership roles in corporations and consulting firms.

You Are Not Depressed. You Are Unfinished is a book drawing on many years of research. It shows how mental illness, particularly depression and anxiety, are our own signals, saying, “Wake up and reclaim your emotional life.” Emotional struggles are not about broken minds or chemical imbalances. They’re caused by unfulfilled emotions and unfinished life paths.

In this book, you’ll learn to analyze your emotions and body and pivot from managing symptoms to living a more fulfilled life. Depression and anxiety are consequences, not causes, and they can be substantially alleviated. They provide a nudge for awakening and reclaiming ourselves. Claim your emotional rights to elevate the trajectory of your life.

 

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About Ardeshir Mehran, Ph.D.

On Your Mind | Ardeshir Mehran | DepressionDR. MEHRAN is disrupting the mental health field, delivering more effective practices to heal depression, and to ease the emotional suffering of people across the world. Everyone else portrays depression as an immovable cause, a mood disorder that must be treated. Dr. Mehran busts this myth and focuses attention on the real culprit: the unfulfilled life we must lead when we deny our birthrights.

He is the developer of The Bill of Emotional Rights™, based on 30 years of research, coaching, and clinical work. Read about his A Fulfilled Life manifesto on his website: https://ardeshirmehran.com/. He is a psychologist, behavioral researcher, transformational leader, and leadership coach. He has a Ph.D. and M.Ed. in Counseling, Organizational, and Research Psychology from Columbia University, New York City. He has served in leadership roles in corporations and consulting firms. Ardeshir has advanced training in psychoanalysis, group therapy, and team dynamics.

He is currently writing his next book, “Break It!” on the science and healing practices for generational trauma. He lives in Burlingame with his wife, son, and Lucy (family golden retriever). Dr. Mehran’s passion includes running (marathons), hiking, swimming (open water and pool), biking, reading, wandering in nature, photography, poetry, and music.

 

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